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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Game is changing... 7d is official

It's still refreshing to know at the end of the day, there is still a better solution right around the corner. RED has a better & different mission statement. Gonna save up for a RED jersey.
 
Liam Hall said:
Game hasn't changed at all for people who want a professional, high performance cinema camera.
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Every time a new camera comes on the market and guess what..... we start to compare this with the red one. I don't understand this comparison. Why... well I can't shoot a feature on a canon and output to film with the same quality as the red, I don't have the same flexibility with the canon codec as I do with red. which is the primary reason i bought the red one. BTW we have 2 5D mkII. If i ws shorting a wedding or a corporate video, sure canon is good enough.

Life is simple, is the tool that you have at hand fore-fills your needs for the job?... Yes then it's the right tool. No... go find the right one.
So far I have not found an alternative that will replace my red one for the price point and my needs.
 
Canon is still not serious about the video performance of their SLR's. 7D is just another still cam with consumer video features. I'm sure some people will enjoy the 7D for what it can do, but I can't take it seriously as a motion picture camera. Nice step up from something like an HV20 perhaps.
 
Sorry for the repost, but the thread I originally put this in was deleted.

The most mind blowing thing to me about the 7D is the price point. It wasn't long ago that the cheapest form of HD overcrank was the likes of the HVX. It's a good bang for your buck piece of equipment. What I am most interested in is what is going to happen in the HVX/EX1/EX3/XLH1 market? Red scarlet absolutely smokes them at a lower price and their own respective DSLR's get (arguably)nicer pics than these video cams at a fraction of the cost.

Obviously the codec in the 5D/7D isn't much chop, but at this price point people are more than willing to work within it's limitations in order to reap the benefits of larger sensor and nicer optics. It would be interesting to know the proportion of people buying the 5D/7D purely for video? I will get a 7D on the strength of it's video. But hey, we are all frothing with anticipation of the new game changer, Scarlet. Hopefully not too far away.
 
5D/7D for HD Television (video), Id buy Scarlet were it to be available. No question Scarlet will be better but if we are saying is the 5D/7D good enough for HD TV then it probably is.

The choice isnt actualy the camera its access the the glass that's as or more important.

Operating the whole issue will be a learning curve Im sure.
 
It's becoming a lot more crowded in the video market for sure. I hear a lot of buzz about shooting with these cameras. My feeling is that Panasonic and Sony are more in the cross hairs than Red with the new products coming out from Cannon and Nikon. That said no business likes to see competitors moving into an already crowded market. It creates price pressure, confusion, and misinformation gets spread around. If the economy wasn't as bad as it is, this might be less of an issue. However, it's really not good to see the low end being so aggressively marketed to.

Many producers don't understand the limitations of the existing video formats. Add a bunch of new low performance products into the mix and things could get ugly.
 
David Rasberry said:
Canon is still not serious about the video performance of their SLR's. 7D is just another still cam with consumer video features. I'm sure some people will enjoy the 7D for what it can do, but I can't take it seriously as a motion picture camera. Nice step up from something like an HV20 perhaps.
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First of all, give me a break on the Canon is not serious about their video performance baloney. Secondly, I have never owned a consumer video camera that has anywhere near the specs of the 7d, and under $2,000. It's really unbelievable.
 
In the space of a few hours knowing about the 7D a whole HD underwater series has gone from discussing shooting on an F900 and housing to 7D and housing. We thought it possible to use a 5D but I think the 7D would actually work fine. For this subject Several 7Ds could be deployed and still save money and most likely get as good if not better results. Obviously some of this is about price point.

So yes its making its mark and not even here yet.

Now if Scarlet were available......
 
Dave Blackham said:
In the space of a few hours knowing about the 7D a whole HD underwater series has gone from discussing shooting on an F900 and housing to 7D and housing. We thought it possible to use a 5D but I think the 7D would actually work fine. For this subject Several 7Ds could be deployed and still save money and most likely get as good if not better results. Obviously some of this is about price point.

So yes its making its mark and not even here yet.

Now if Scarlet were available......
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A series. For Broadcast? And you're comparing it to an F900? Oh my. I understand that there are specialist mounting and housing issues that suit a smaller camera but - and it's been said a few times already in this thread - it SHOOTS H264.

Good luck getting that past broadcaster's specs.
 
Ben Holmes said:
A series. For Broadcast? And you're comparing it to an F900? Oh my. I understand that there are specialist mounting and housing issues that suit a smaller camera but - and it's been said a few times already in this thread - it SHOOTS H264.

Good luck getting that past broadcaster's specs.
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There was a post awhile back about someone losing $200K on a shoot because the video from a 5dII was unacceptable. If you can budget an F900, why not a RED ONE?
 
David Rasberry said:
There was a post awhile back about someone losing $200K on a shoot because the video from a 5dII was unacceptable. If you can budget an F900, why not a RED ONE?
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We have Red One and will use them. It wasnt my idea to go this way and Im only commenting on the comments from clients, but the point is its small and inexpensive and probably good enough, It not the best by any means but it most likely will do a reasnoble job in the right situation. Given this is September 2009 what will we see by Jan 2010. As I said where is Scarlet.....
 
Jim Klatt said:
First of all, give me a break on the Canon is not serious about their video performance baloney. Secondly, I have never owned a consumer video camera that has anywhere near the specs of the 7d, and under $2,000. It's really unbelievable.
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Yea, it's pretty dumb to say Canon isn't serious about video. For Nikkon though... probably true. But the addition of 24p, 25p, (1280x720) 60p and 50p... and equiped it with dual digic IV processors has got to mean something. Why would they need dual processors? One would suffice for stills... that's for sure.

And the h.265 is a stupid point too. Yes, it's not the amazing all powerful redcode, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be when transcoded, it's near 40mbs. You could make the same argument and say that Redcode sucks compared to actually scanning 35mm. Not to mention allot of directors and cinematographers still won't shoot digital and probably disregard the Red One as a "professional" option.

Charles Angus said:
Good enough is the key term here, I think.

The video mode on this will be good enough for many things. The 5d can produce images nearly as good as an HVX, and this is cheaper and likely better.
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Yes, spec wise the image is almost as good as the HVX. But how to the images feel? 5D feels more epic... HVX still feels like a cinemax porno. I just can't justify shooting on a sub 2/3" camera anymore. Not when you can have the visual aesthetics of APS-c or ff35 for under $3,000... Codecs, even shitty ones, can't ruin the aesthetics of a 35mm frame. (unless it's mud like the GH-1 or something horrible like that)

BTW, supposedly Canon fixed the movement artifacts, now the image won't break apart when the codec over loades.
 
So would anyone go so far to predict a feature will be shot with this Canon? What is the niche application for this camera?
 
MichaelHalsell said:
So would anyone go so far to predict a feature will be shot with this Canon? What is the niche application for this camera?
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I think yes, someone will attempt that with a DSLR if they're not already. People have been shooting indy features with the likes of miniDV and Hi8 in the past. This imagery stomps the piss out of mini dv, maybe it won't be a major hollywood studio, but someone will be doing it.
 
Will it cost Jim sales? I doubt it. Maybe in two or three generations from now if there's no sign of the Scarlet. The canon is a disposable item and anyone awaiting the Scarlet series isn't going to be hitched to the canon hussy without a prenuptial agreement. If you buy a canon to replace the Scarlet- you never needed a Scarlet in the first place.
 
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