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Fixed Scarlet's LCD

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JIM MALLON

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Whats the latest on the touch screen LCD for the Scarlet. I tried to search the forum but found different info. The early specs said a 2.8 touch screen but I have a vague memory of hearing that it was too small for professional use. Recent outings of the Fixed have had a 5.0 LCD attached. So I was wondering what options have been talked about by RED or don't we know for sure?

*Im guessing a 5.0 screen will add quite a bit to the price of any fixed package and want something a bit smaller anyway.
 
JIM MALLON said:
Whats the latest on the touch screen LCD for the Scarlet. I tried to search the forum but found different info. The early specs said a 2.8 touch screen but I have a vague memory of hearing that it was too small for professional use. Recent outings of the Fixed have had a 5.0 LCD attached. So I was wondering what options have been talked about by RED or don't we know for sure?

*Im guessing a 5.0 screen will add quite a bit to the price of any fixed package and want something a bit smaller anyway.
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I can't find the reference just now but I do most definitely recall seeing a post from Jim or Jarred confirming the 2.8" had been canned as unusable.

MIke
 
Jim Jannard/Jarred seem like pretty witty guys. I have an image of them in my head trying to use a 2.8 screen, They're not the smallest of guys. Though seriously I can understand 2.8 is a little small but I worry that a 5.0 screen while maybe appropriate for the Epic and pro shooting on the Scarlet seems too big. Some will want that but personally I think its too big. Maybe I have small girly hands ;) but a 3.5 would be fine for me on a scarlet. 3.5 is the size of an iphone and most can use that unless you have banana fingers. To me the fixed Scarlet's strength is for documentary work where you want to be as unobtrusive as possible and a 5.0 screen doesn't help in that goal. It would be great to see how well the LCD screen attaches to the side of the camera like most videocameras do. I don't know what people think or know what options RED have discussed generally about the LCD.

I wonder also if a third party would be a able to produce a compatible screen that works with the Fly By Wire functions, I'm guessing probably not though.
 
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You're not shooting full hd video or SD video like on iPhone, it's 3K format : you need to clearly see if you're on focus and what is going on your LCD.
 
5" is not all that big physically. But you can always use and aftermarket LCD. No touch screen functions with that option though, but you have full control with the side handle or Redmote.
I prefer an EVF for low profile doc work anyway.
 
Benoît-Joan Clariana-Roig said:
You're not shooting full hd video or SD video like on iPhone, it's 3K format : you need to clearly see if you're on focus and what is going on your LCD.
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Fair point and I pretty must agree. Though if 2.8 was considered by RED there must be possibilities with a smaller screen basically because so much of the functions can be programed (fly by wire) so you could for more mobile work rely on touch focus. But yeah I do to some degree agree. I would rather as another poster mentioned have an EVF but 'for me' at the moment the EVF is too much money to justify.
 
They are no longer making the 2.8'' touch screen. Red is still figuring out how to price out the Fixed package...we should know more at NAB.
 
Stephen Gibson said:
Completely agree with you Jim, which is why when I saw this today I got pretty excited:

http://www.kinotehnik.com/lcdvfe/

I hope the NAB goers get plenty of info on this!
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That looks very interesting indeed. There have been some reports at DVXuser of multiple Cineroid failures, so that one doesn't seem so promising anymore. The EVF needs to be as bullet proof as the camera is likely to be.
 
Peter Mosiman said:
They are no longer making the 2.8'' touch screen. Red is still figuring out how to price out the Fixed package...we should know more at NAB.
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In theory a 5.0 LCD must add chunk of money to the package as LCD's already sold by RED of similar size are around $1500+ if im not mistaken. Another reason a marginally smaller cheaper LCD would be a good fit for the Fixed. But RED can't make every option imaginable available. I'm guessing if the 5.0 is a reality then thats going to be the LCD with the package. I recognise RED's doing all of us a favour even if they put a 5,000 dollar iPad screen on it so all good really.


*Compared to the RED BOMB EVF that EVF looks pretty massive on the EPIC in the photos. I guess its a budget option.
 
JIM MALLON said:
In theory a 5.0 LCD must add chunk of money to the package as LCD's already sold by RED of similar size are around $1500+ if im not mistaken. Another reason a marginally smaller cheaper LCD would be a good fit for the Fixed. But RED can't make every option imaginable available. I'm guessing if the 5.0 is a reality then thats going to be the LCD with the package. I recognise RED's doing all of us a favour even if they put a 5,000 dollar iPad screen on it so all good really.


*Compared to the RED BOMB EVF that EVF look buts pretty massive on the EPIC in the photos. I guess its a budget option.
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There may be economies of scale that bring the price of the 5" down as the mfg quantities go up. Think of the significant cost savings to Red of not producing the 2.8" LCD. Not just mfg cost but inventory, sales, QC, packaging, warranty, service support, etc. Fewer items at higher volumes can produce significant cost savings to the whole program. The original proposed Scarlet design sported a flip out 4.8" LCD, so now they are closer to original spec in this regard. One common LCD model that serves across the entire Scarlet/Epic line just makes sense.
 
David Rasberry said:
There may be economies of scale that bring the price of the 5" down as the mfg quantities go up. Think of the significant cost savings to Red of not producing the 2.8" LCD. Not just mfg cost but inventory, sales, QC, packaging, warranty, service support, etc. Fewer items at higher volumes can produce significant cost savings to the whole program. The original proposed Scarlet design sported a flip out 4.8" LCD, so now they are closer to original spec in this regard. One common LCD model that serves across the entire Scarlet/Epic line just makes sense.
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Your right. I think when RED decided what it was, ie a Professional Company not a pro consumer one things like 2.8 LCD's got booted. I heard Jannard say that Scarlet was kind of an afterthought to kind of extend the line lower into a budget setup. Thats why really we should be grateful to RED for doing this. I'm no fanboy but I recognise RED is doing us all a favour with the scarlet program. Its unfortunate all these DSLR's came out and mudded the waters for many. To me RED is a pro company reaching down to budget filmakers while the DSLR's are mass produced consumer products trying to reach into the video professional world or at least users are trying to make them do that....saying that I still want a lower profile 3-4 inch screen. :coolgleamA:
 
JIM MALLON said:
Your right. I think when RED decided what it was, ie a Professional Company not a pro consumer one things like 2.8 LCD's got booted. I heard Jannard say that Scarlet was kind of an afterthought to kind of extend the line lower into a budget setup. Thats why really we should be grateful to RED for doing this. I'm no fanboy but I recognise RED is doing us all a favour with the scarlet program. Its unfortunate all these DSLR's came out and mudded the waters for many. To me RED is a pro company reaching down to budget filmakers while the DSLR's are mass produced consumer products trying to reach into the video professional world or at least users are trying to make them do that....saying that I still want a lower profile 3-4 inch screen. :coolgleamA:
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For the lower profile, I think I am going to go with one of the new aftermarket low cost EVF's with a 3" screen and flip up eyepiece. Serve as both EVF and LCD. I used to like that type of finder a lot on the Betacams .
 
David Rasberry said:
For the lower profile, I think I am going to go with one of the new aftermarket low cost EVF's with a 3" screen and flip up eyepiece. Serve as both EVF and LCD. I used to like that type of finder a lot on the Betacams .
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oh the Betacam time seems lightyears away ...... used to love my BVW300 .....
 
Gerald Menclik said:
oh the Betacam time seems lightyears away ...... used to love my BVW300 .....
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Powered up my Beta camcorder the other day just to see if it still works.
Felt lovely on my shoulder, like an old friend. All the switches in the right place. In a few seconds I was totally familiar and it has been a couple of years since last used.
 
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