First timer - is it possible to edit proxy and send only x frames to colorist?

[OlaHaldor]

I've been asked to help a friend of mine to do grading on his short film which will be shot with RED ONE. He said he's going to shoot at 4K RAW. "Fair enough, but I don't have plenty of HDD space".

Is it possible for him to edit offline, and send me only the x frames on each clip needed, as RAW files? That would be awesome and help me out quite a bit as I can't really afford a huge RAID at the moment.

How much space must I have free in order to have about 4-8 minutes of 4K RAW on disk?


And how would the proper workflow from RAW to FCP to Color be? I don't think the final film is going to be released or even graded in 4K, but IF that were to happen - how do I use proxies and all that, properly?

I'm reading a whole bunch about DPX. Is it a native format which will be exported from RedCine or do I need a third party tool for that? I understand I need DPX to create proxies in Color.

 

[Noah Kadner]

You'd want to use this:

http://www.crimsonworkflow.com/

-Noah

 

[OlaHaldor]

Wow! That was quick
How about a proxy workflow? Color can't handle more than 2K I suppose.

 

[jimhare]

Hi There,

If you are just grading their footage then it's pretty simple.

Get them to edit and create an EDL. Then they can use CRIMSON to bring their edit back into REDCINE (Red software) to do a simple color/exposure correction, and export the final files in whatever format you like.

DPX is best, but if you aren't familiar they could also export as uncompressed QuickTime, TIFF, or whatever you need.

They can also do this is in any resolution you need. 2K is as big as Color can use so no point going higher. 1080 if you want to master to High Def.

So if I were you, I would put the responsibility back on your friend to understand the workflow and deliver final DPX or QuickTimes back to you.

From that point it's standard files.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

Jim Hare
Sydney

 

[OlaHaldor]

My friend asked me to have total control over exposure and color from the RAW files as well - but that would just make the workflow harder, eh?

I feel I'm in a dark room with my arms in front as feelers, stumbling around bits and pieces that will at a final stage be a working flashlight.. Thanks for the heads up, jimhare.

 

[jimhare]

That's okay. If you want to do that then you need to use the original R3D files and use either Crimson or Rubber Monkey to prepare the footage.

Not really fair in my opinion if you aren't a RED expert or looking to become one. Talk to your friend about who they are getting the camera from and try to find some expertise on that side to help you.

What most people seem to be doing is doing a simple one-light themselves to preserve as much exposure and color information as possible, then converting to a standard format before the colorist gets involved.

You will need to spend several days researching and understanding the process, as well as money on the conversion tools (Rubber Monkey/Crimson), so unless you're looking to become a RED post person, this is a big ask.

The truth is that it's WONDERFUL in here. RED is a Godsend and a pleasure to work with, but as a one-off project, would be frustrating.

Keep the questions coming, we'll do everything we can to help and make it easier.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Gunleik Groven]

Eller du kunne komme innom her og jobbe litt i neste uke... Ta med deg din egen MacPro...

 

[OlaHaldor]

Skulle bare mangle at du svarte, Gunleik! Er det du som stiller med kamera til mister Loennechen? "Gullfeber" ?

 

[jimhare]

You are very lucky, Genleik is a hero around here. If he doesn't know it, it doesn't exist!:w00t:

 

[OlaHaldor]

Woah! Nice! I gotta gather some stuff and bring my Mac Pro down to his place then.

Got a bed, gunleik? I'll bring my sleeping bag.