First Pic of Working Fixed Lens Red Scarlet

[C.H.Haskell]

sounds like you guys all are on the same page... Jim and I will sit down in the next couple weeks and see if we can move things around a bit to make it happen.

I am on that page as well, always felt the side handle was a must have.

 

[Tonaci Tran]

Great post Tonaci, and great to see you last week! Yeah ... the SCARLET program is crazy real - it really blew me away. People should really think twice before they buy an F3 or AF100.

Thanks Mark! It was definitely great catching up with you and being part of your awesome 3d Reducation day. Convergence for life! =)..well just a tiny bit.

 

[Pietro Impagliazzo]

Jarred... How are the in-camera FF functionalities of Scarlet?

Mark focus and rack between too? Anyway to set a close-focus only or far-focus only limit?

Please tell me you're making physical FF units useless with Scarlet!

:biggrin5:!

 

[Ketch Rossi]

sounds like you guys all are on the same page... Jim and I will sit down in the next couple weeks and see if we can move things around a bit to make it happen.

Just don't tell Jim I proposed removing the I/O Module in favor of adding
the Side Handle.. or He will say.. Ketch again with the Side Handle?? haha

 

[Steven Caesare]

I know I may get flamed for this and I half don't blame anyone, but I just have to push the point 1 small step forward. About the cable from the monitor to the camera.

Ok, purely from an aesthetics perspective, I think the camera looks much better without the cable (optional internal hook up if possible to develop). Ok, I realize that could be tough based on the size, etc...I just wonder (out loud) how much bigger the camera would have to be to take this eye sore (cable) and have the option of just snapping the monitor onto the brain?

I suppose it shows that I like Apple products...design...something to be said for not just using the best equipment but the best looking/cleanest setup from an aesthetics perspective. Ok, enough said here.

Regardless I will buy a Scarlet and love it even with the little eye sore cable. Thanks all for indulging my pet peeve. Does anyone else see it this way or am I alone here?

Thanks.

You have to understand thre are 4,693,264 different possible ways to mount the monitors and/or EVF's when you consider all the accessories and mounting pieces that will be avaialable for these cameras. It's impossible to have an embedded connector everywhere you might want to mount a LCD. How would you do that on a NOGA arm?

Not to mention that you will be able to drive LCDs/EVFs from not only the brain, but modules on the back, etc..., hence there will always be a requirement for a cable connector on the LCD, because you might opt to drive it from a secondary (or tertiary) output.

So while you MIGHT be able to eliminate haivng a cable for one specific mountgin location, you can't eliminate the need to use a cable for the majority of the situations... hence I suspect it's not really practical/cost effective.

I have to say I like the fact the LCD connector is in the side of the articualting joint, and I suspect a small specific-length cable with angled connectors for that common top-mounted location will look pretty spiffy.
-sc

 

[Tonaci Tran]

On front page of Engadget. =)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/15/red-scarlet-fixed-lens-camera-shown-in-public-video/

 

[Steve Wake]

I have to say I like the fact the LCD connector is in the side of the articualting joint, and I suspect a small specific-length cable with angled connectors for that common top-mounted location will look pretty spiffy.
-sc

A picture of that "small specific-length cable with angled connectors" was posted by Stuart a few pages back. You need to be logged in to see it.

There is a shorter interconnect cable than the one shown in the video; in practice there is nothing to snag there (see attached image)

Looks to me like it's also just right if you want to flip the monitor into an upside-down, left-side, shoulder mount/low profile orientation. With the standard 2.8" screen and a cheap LCD eyepiece (e.g. Zacuto) you would have a low-budget viewfinder.

Someone asked if the LCD image could flip. That's pretty basic and kinda goes without saying.

And I usually try not to sound like a fanboy, but since this is the RED I'm waiting for ... WOOHOO!!

 

[Steven Caesare]

A picture of that "small specific-length cable with angled connectors" was posted by Stuart a few pages back. You need to be logged in to see it.

Looks to me like it's also just right if you want to flip the monitor into an upside-down, left-side, shoulder mount/low profile orientation. With the standard 2.8" screen and a cheap LCD eyepiece (e.g. Zacuto) you would have a low-budget viewfinder.

Someone asked if the LCD image could flip. That's pretty basic and kinda goes without saying.

And I usually try not to sound like a fanboy, but since this is the RED I'm waiting for ... WOOHOO!!

Cool... I had remembered seeing it too, but at this point couldn't remember which of the bazillion posts it may have been in... thanks. (Wouldn't happen to have a link would ya?)

The cam I'm waiting for too!

-sc

 

[Jason Ramsey]

sounds like you guys all are on the same page... Jim and I will sit down in the next couple weeks and see if we can move things around a bit to make it happen.

what about options between side handle and redmote? seems they have same basic functionality/control over camera... One offers wifi (which could be considered a luxury to some), the other provides ergonomics. If the financials of it could work out, seems like that might be a good option... side handle included in a package rather than a redmote... i.e. ability to control multiple cameras, have wireless control over cameras, etc being the luxury. basic form factor being the standard... plus it would answer the question of where we put the (included as of last known complete kit configuration) battery

my 2 cents

 

[TomDannenberg]

Body pics do not count, only footage.
So... footage from Scarlet, please.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

No... You can assign the ring to any of those three funtions. Assign those functions to other dials, switches, etc.. on the camera. You can toggle between the functions.. Assign that toggle to any button, etc..

So you can have focus on the lens gear/ring while you control iris from the dial on the handle and zoom on a rocker switch. Need to switch to zoom on the lens ring and use AF mode? Toggle your settings from another button.

Or at least that's how I understand it all...

Can Red confirm or deny Jeff's guesses?

Can we adust zoom, iris and focus at the EXACT same time by turning the lens wheel and the two wheels on the handle?

Can we program those buttons 1,2,3,4 to be an instant, 1-click change to the lens wheel? Meaning...lens wheel is currently focus, I click '2' and instantly the wheel is zoom. I change focal length, press '1' and instantly the wheel is focus again?

Lastly, can the Redmote wheel be used to remotely control zoom, focus, and/or iris?

I must admit I am surprised to see that Scarlet still has only one wheel on the fixed lens. It made perfect sense back when Scarlet was "3k for $3k" and was aimed at prosumers. But now I'm not so sure. I'm getting email from some people who are much more concerned about this then I am (as my eyes are still firmly on EpicX .

 

[paulherrin]

yes, i think that's all confirmed, those aren't just guesses.

One ring for focus, iris and zoom? Does anyone else see that as a drawback?

i'd really love to see you guys crowded around a lens trying to pull focus, iris, and zoom at the same time.

if you need doc style zooming, you'll want the autofocus anyways, or somebody helpin you out.

if you need to pull your own focus, unless you have an extra arm, i don't see you controlling a zoom at the same time, on the same lens. if it's on sticks, it would be easier to control one of those things via redmote or side handle.

if you need to adjust iris, well, i wouldn't do it mid take, but if you did have to do that, you could use the redmote or your finger on the side handle.

if you're trying to do all three at the same time, and somehow think it would be a good idea to have like, 4 or 5 people crowded around the lens, well... i just don't know what to tell you.

i'm just not seeing a lot of situations here where you need all 3 on the lens at the same time, even though we all know a lot of lenses have been that way, this is a different lens that's geared for technology. this takes it off the lens and gives you the same amount of control (and more) in a comfortable, remote location if desired.

in any case, i don't think they're going back into R&D on the lens at this point, they were really happy with it, and so am i.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

This discussion about the side handle is interesting. I was under the impression that the DSLR form factor was somewhat awkward for shooting smooth video. I recently bought a 60D but haven't shot much handheld as yet. I was sort of thinking I wanted to put a top handle on my Scarlet (and a rail system) and shoot with more "traditional" video camera ergonomics. (And, thus would prefer a REDmote over a side handle). Yet, it seems like a lot knowledgeable people (Jarred, Ted, etc) are pretty enamored with this "side handle" shooting style. Anyone care to comment on the stability or provide some thoughts as to why it is so attractive? After all, my Scarlet will be here any day now and I have to make decisions!! :w00t:

 

[paulherrin]

that is a good question. does it actually make for decent handheld footage, or is it just desirable for still shooting?

otherwise, it seems most people would be using either sticks or rails or handles or mounts or some kind of rig when motion is involved. but if it's possible to shoot good handheld footage with just the sidehandle, im not gonna complain about that.

 

[C.H.Haskell]

The Side handle will be great for both motion and still content, of course this depends on how you like to operate and what is comfortable to you. I am curious why Jarred does not use the redmote + side handle combo, does it drain the battery in this light side handled configuration or is it just redundant cause the side handle has all the controls.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

The Side handle will be great for both motion and still content, of course this depends on how you like to operate and what is comfortable to you. I am curious why Jarred does not use the redmote + side handle combo, does it drain the battery in this light side handled configuration or is it just redundant cause the side handle has all the controls.

Have you yet seen a working Redmote in any picture or video of either Red or Epic? I dont think it's ready yet.

EDIT: Just now saw that Jim said Remote machined is coming with EpicM. So it must be ready to go...I just havent seen a working one in any videos or pictures.

 

[Steve Wake]

This discussion about the side handle is interesting. I was under the impression that the DSLR form factor was somewhat awkward for shooting smooth video. I recently bought a 60D but haven't shot much handheld as yet. I was sort of thinking I wanted to put a top handle on my Scarlet (and a rail system) and shoot with more "traditional" video camera ergonomics. (And, thus would prefer a REDmote over a side handle). Yet, it seems like a lot knowledgeable people (Jarred, Ted, etc) are pretty enamored with this "side handle" shooting style. Anyone care to comment on the stability or provide some thoughts as to why it is so attractive? After all, my Scarlet will be here any day now and I have to make decisions!! :w00t:

This brings up an old question and maybe folks are prepared to respond in a more concrete way.

When I shoot handheld it's minimal run and gun. I've been spoiled by OIS, especially as it's become pretty amazingly good in it's latest prosumer iterations. So I'm wondering if anyone has thought more about software-based OIS using metadata from the motion sensors. I'm thinking crop-frame linked to the data. Would probably get strange blur effects if too close/too shaky/too fast action but if the operator was doing his best to hold a steady frame, it might look pretty good, acceptable for run and gun in my world. Foundry - a feature for Storm???

As far as ergonomics, one thing I noticed in Tonaci's video is the rear-facing scroll wheel is mounted on a projection that fits nicely into the crook between thumb and index finger. Seems like a great place to support weight, and a pretty unique idea (for a video camera). It also seemed like Tonaci didn't have too much trouble balancing the rig in one hand, so with battery the whole rig seemed to not want to torque ccw too much.

Looks like zoom was set up to be controlled by the thumb wheel at the time. I think I'd prefer it on the scroll wheel behind the top red button, with iris on the thumb scroll wheel and focus on the lens.

Which leads to another question. Say you're using touch-focus, then want to fine tune with manual. Can you just grab the lens ring and override? Like a Nikon AF-S lens. And is the direction reversible (for us backwards Nikon users)?

Another ergonomic point for me personally is that as an aging DSLR user transitioning to video, my muscle memory is much better tuned to DSLR controls. Once I get Scarlet in my hands, I think I'll be right at home. If the thumbwheel projection and the balance are as described I'll probably prefer it to a more traditional video camera setup.

I have only one doubt about ergonomics based on recently posted pictures. Big Lu's little finger is bigger than most people's thumbs! I don't believe his thumb can actually fit where it's supposed to without hitting something else.

 

[paulherrin]

that wouldn't be optical stabilization, it would be digital (not sure which motion sensors you're talking about that would provide that kind of info, btw). and they already have that. the foundry's nuke has great stabilization based on tracking, but that's never preferable to optical (or a nice stable shot to begin with!), and it does sometimes take time and skill to get really good results.

 

[Steve Wake]

that wouldn't be optical stabilization, it would be digital (not sure which motion sensors you're talking about that would provide that kind of info, btw). and they already have that. the foundry's nuke has great stabilization based on tracking, but that's never preferable to optical (or a nice stable shot to begin with!), and it does sometimes take time and skill to get really good results.

Right, IS in digital post, not OIS - my typo.

Sensors are mentioned in Nov. 30 Specs - feature #22. And Jarred confirmed later that motion data is carried frame-by-frame in metadata. Software I'm hoping for would improve on quality and usability of existing post stabilization solutions.

 

[C.H.Haskell]

Have you yet seen a working Redmote in any picture or video of either Red or Epic? I dont think it's ready yet.

EDIT: Just now saw that Jim said Remote machined is coming with EpicM. So it must be ready to go...I just havent seen a working one in any videos or pictures.

Good point, I dont think I have ever seen a working REDmote. Seems to me it would live on the camera.