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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

First Clip from Crossing the Line

Wow but...

Wow but...

Wow great footage, but where the heck is the rest???
Why are there not more videoclips of other stuff considering
the camera is coming out soon?

As to the camera shake...does it really matter?!?!
 
Camera shake was added in post. Some argue it's unnecessary, that's all.

More footage to come.
But RED doesn't need much footage to convince peope or companies to take the plunge.
 
so last night I'm all trying to look at the details in the stills posted from the PJ footage. And I was all like WOW! Then this morning Gizmodo informs me that I haven't been paying enough attention to REDuser.net because THE PJ footage is up! OMG it looks flipping incredible. I can't wait to get my grimy hands all over one of these. I am dying to see the full show, torrent, stream I don't care but get it out soon please?
 
thank you so much for the clip. it's outstanding. i know everybody gets all worked up over shallow DOF, but what stood out for me, personally was the amazing deep focus on that shot in the trenches. phenomenal! move over, Citizen Kane! this is really exciting. i can't believe the clarity of the deep focus shot. it's fantastic, really.

i just wish peter jackson would find a new subject. LOTR had enough war in it to last the rest of his career. how about revisiting some different subject matter? one of my all-time favorite films ever is his early mockumentary, FORGOTTEN SILVER. loved it loved it loved it. how about another film about film? using RED for a film about film would be a fitting and loving tribute to both media in PJ's hands.....

still and all, i guess this footage really does a good job of showcasing what RED can do, puts it through its paces nicely.
 
thats friggen sweet.

I think that the camera shake and impact effect are cool. its a good demonstration of what you can do in post without any adverse effect to the quality of the picture.
 
Many many many many thanks to all the Red Team..
 
Man I wish they would just post the damn thing instead of this tease they always like to do!
 
I dont believe this clip should be viewed as anything else than a small
glimpse at what the camera has to offer. Any kind of critique of the cinematic
technique belongs somewhere else IMO.
 
I think it looks good...but whats the deal then with the artifacts and the non global shutter and whatnot. What does that mean...

Everything shot with the red camera will or might do this?
 
Weston said:
I think it looks good...but whats the deal then with the artifacts and the non global shutter and whatnot. What does that mean...

Everything shot with the red camera will or might do this?
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That's what I'm thinking. Even thought this is test footage, unless they replace the sensor with a global shutter sensor, it seems we will always have this shear problem. Once I saw the problem on the P.J. clip I remembered I have a friend who has a CMOS camera and it has the rolling shutter. I met with him yesterday and we shot some tests to try to produced the shear “defeact”. It was quite easy to produce it. If you pan, unless you do it extremely slow, it's there and it’s not hard to see it. Also, if things cross the frame in a fast fashion, it produces the shear too. Now I'm not comparing a consumer camera to the RED ONE, not at all. But a rolling shutter sensor is a rolling shutter sensor and they all behave the same when it comes to shear.
However I trust the RED team. Let's see what they do. But I'm pretty sure they can't completely eliminate it without replacing the sensor, which this late on the game I don't think they will. It seems it will be a limitation of the camera that users will have to learn how to work with and shoot around it. The sad thing is that this will become just one more thing for the film guys to pick on. Even if the camera seems to be “perfect” otherwise (at least it seems perfect to me). Wait till the people from that other site (you know the one) finds out about this shear.
 
Zk2007 said:
The sad thing is that this will become just one more thing for the film guys to pick on. Even if the camera seems to be “perfect” otherwise (at least it seems perfect to me). Wait till the people from that other site (you know the one) finds out about this shear.
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I don't think this artifact is one that the film guys can pick on. The mechanical shutter in a film camera tears (shears) the image, visible in panning shots is you freeze frame and probably affecting the look of the motion slightly.

So the CMOS sensor in Red has an artifact that makes it look like film? Damn!

I know it can make some visual fx work tricky, but seriously the Red examples being posted lately are under more scrutiny than people put on 35mm film! :blink:
 
Beautiful footage! I can understand why some people don't like "the shake," but the thing that distracted me was the uncentered title at the beginning. (My graphic designer roots are showing.)

I'd love to see P.J. make a feature with the RED. What are the Braindead/Dead-Alive folks up to these days? Me gusta Paquita!
 
Concrete said:
He expressed that he wanted to do a cheapo feature again, a la Braindead. The RED would be the perfect tool for that, that's for sure.
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...are you suggesting the RED is cheap?:clown2:
 
Zane Roach said:
I don't think this artifact is one that the film guys can pick on. The mechanical shutter in a film camera tears (shears) the image, visible in panning shots is you freeze frame and probably affecting the look of the motion slightly.

So the CMOS sensor in Red has an artifact that makes it look like film? Damn!
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The effect is not really the same though.
 
Zk2007 said:
The effect is not really the same though.
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You may be right. We don't have Red cameras to test yet.

The posted footage looks good to me. I did some freeze framing and couldn't really find any tearing. For me, it's really a "who cares?" artifact. Especially as it will go unnoticed by anyone not freeze framing the clip to look for it. Sorry visual fx guys, but wanted to post because I think its coming across as a bigger problem than it is.

Footage looks great = no probs.
 
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