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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

First Clip from Crossing the Line

i love the film, that fake zoom shake is embarassing... the zoom part being the worst. i know its a total personal aesthetic choice etc.. took me right out of it. was less apparent on the big screen but still bothered me. hate to harp on something negative especially because it has nothing to do with the redcamera and this is a red forum... the movie is amazing.

Are there Peter Jackson production stills? Wheres the behind the scenes? Peter Jackson is all about those bts documentaries...
 
The sheer that obin mentioned is interesting - what is that? That wheel seems to warp its way out of frame if you step through the frames. Looks like lens distortion except for the timing of it. Interesting.

Footage looks amazing though! I was fortunate enough to see the 4k at NAB. Thanks, Red team!
 
lboyce said:
Good point. Will the Extended Version be out by Christmas?
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Maybe we'll get an extra hour added on in the extended one! Making Crossing the Line the first RED feature!!! :biggrin: :bleh: haha

Don't get me wrong though. The LOTR extended editions rule! :D

Yash
 
robbo said:
"(with and Australian accent)"

Steady on, matey. That's a New Zealand accent.
Like me calling you Swedish. :-)
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Hehe my bad m8. That was truly a New Zealand accent!
Hope I dident offend any other Austrailian by my geographical misterpent.

And by the way I love the Sweds, so go ahead and make my day :)
 
Jance, it's an issue with CMOS chips. I was building a raw camera at one time and hit this "issue" what happens is that as the image sensor picks up the image it does so in scan lines if you will, from top to bottom of the imager, so what you get is an image that is recorded at time intervals, even though it is a VERY small amount of time you can see it when objects pass through the frame at high speeds. it's called image sheer in the cmos world and is created by a chip that is not "global" shutter but "rolling" shutter. I know that global shutters are hard to find, and have issues but I was afraid this was a rolling shutter chip and I now see it is. IF you run the chip at a VERY high MHZ this effect will lessen, but then you are outputting far to much data for any cpu to deal with, and I would take it that at 12 million pixels worth of data per frame RED can't run the MHZ any higher then it is. the only "issue" with this is that it may be really hard to motion track the footage as it pans ...we are not sure about this and tests need to be done. I hope it will be a non issue.
One potential problem will be shooting with high shutter speeds, the viewer will see the image "sheer" from left to right and right to left because the motion blur will not cover it up. I hope that is not an issue for the viewer of "shakycam" style high shutter speed shooting.

AWESOME looking footage though!
 
zak forrest said:
i love the film, that fake zoom shake is embarassing... the zoom part being the worst.
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Yeah, when the demo was being played at NAB I was thinking, "WTF?" But then the fighting turns kind of semi-comedic with big wide-eyed reaction shots and stuff, so I kind of assumed that the almost cartoonish effect they used was kind of a wink to let you know people's intestines weren't going to come flying at the screen or whatever.
 
Jance said:
The sheer that obin mentioned is interesting - what is that? That wheel seems to warp its way out of frame if you step through the frames. Looks like lens distortion except for the timing of it. Interesting.
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It's an artifact from having a rolling shutter as opposed to a global shutter. This is because the sensor does not read the image progressively, but rather line by line, as a slit scan. Each line can be ever so slightly offset in time, and this causes that particular type of artifact. If your mobile phone has a camera you can probably see this very clearly by panning the image around horizontally while in preview mode.

I've seen some work done on correcting this in postproduction. ( more info here: http://mpac.ee.ntu.edu.tw/Exhibition/rolling-shutter.php )

Cheers,

rune
 
It looks like i am the only one who is not bothered by the explosion shakes. They are timed well and balanced. The shots would look less dramatic in my opinion without it.

I see that most of you hate it but i just had to express the different opinion.

Also, i believe that if the average Jo watches this short in the cinema not knowing anything about RED or Digital Cinema in general, would be 100% sure that this was the same kind of stuff he's been watching in film for years.

Even with the not so shallow DoF there is nothing videoish about this footage.

I love my camera! :love:
 
Thanks for the explanations. Makes sense. That rolling shutter correction example is cool, although you'd use up your 4k for overscan to fill in the coverage. I can see some 3d tracking challenges ahead.
 
I 100% agree Miltos.
-A
 
Please can we see more Mr. Jannard! I think it looks fantastic!!!
 
That warping effect almost looks like it matches up with the focus pull, maybe ? This is some really amazing looking footage by the way, congratulations to everyone involved in this project, Ive gotta start saving up for this thing :)
 
Everthing is great except the length of the footage :)
The picture is fantastic and I can't wait to get my hands on that cam and play with Redcode.

As a technical thigny, personally I would do the shake with 50% less zooming, and adding a bit of motion blur, this way it looks a bit artificial IMHO, but that's just me and people will always find something they would have done differently. Excuse my nitpicking.

Great job, guys. Eagerly awaiting for more footage...maybe 1080p ?
 
the shake is alot better in the theater with a very large low frequency speaker rattling the seats, how it was meant to be seen. It literally is supposed to make you want to hit the floor, and watching it on a computer screen with little speakers in a little window doesnt do it justice...
 
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