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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Final Cut Pro X Released

Brian Boyer said:
I will say this...I believe the day that Adobe and Avid finally give up on robust support of tape IS coming, just not as soon as with Apple. REDRAW on SSDs, Sony's SxS cards, Panasonic's P2 cards, AJA's Ki Pro Mini, etc...it's only a matter of time.
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Yeah, it will come when we no longer actually need tape support. Today is not that day. When that day comes, FCPX might be a competitive product. Today is not that day.
 
Tim Morten said:
Yeah, it will come when we no longer actually need tape support. Today is not that day. When that day comes, FCPX might be a competitive product. Today is not that day.
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I'll buy that. Half-heartedly, but I'll buy it. I know I keep saying it, but somebody is going to do some great, noteworthy work with FCPX. Who knows, it may even be you. :smile5:
 
Forgive my ignorance on the subject but, regarding deck control and tape capture, I wonder if the FCPX plugin architecture will support that functionality from 3rd parties. The last time I had a need to do it (years ago), there was a standalone utility that came with our Blackmagic Design card. I'm assuming this type of utility is what Apple was referring to in their FAQ release. I guess there was no need to use something like that as a plugin for FCP because it supported those features natively. Now that FCPX doesn't, is there still the possibility that a plugin version of a capture utility from Blackmagic or AJA will work inside of FCPX and seamlessly communicate with the software and provide all the functionality that FCP7 now offers? It seems you wouldn't care who supplied the capability as long as it worked like you needed it to.

Am I off the mark on this? Or is that an unknown because we don't know enough about APIs and SDKs yet? Should this be a feature request for future versions or are you guys done with FCP in general?
 
Just to keep this thread staggering onwards, here's an interesting article from AppleInsider in 2007 about iMovie -- sounds almost word for word identical to what is happening today, in many parts you could substitute the words "iMovie" for "FCPX".


"The company's support discussions for its new video editing tool were the home of several vocal debates in the weekend following its launch, with at least a few disappointed customers arguing that they had been misled by an Apple marketing campaign which suggested a direct successor to iMovie HD '06 rather than a from-scratch product with missing features.

"I even bought iLife just to install iMovie 8 next to my versions of Avid and Final Cut Pro," said one user. "I was thinking that for quick cutting of simple projects this would get me there faster than my 'pro' apps. [But] it is a weakling compared to the old iMovie. [There's] no decent audio control, [a] loss of rubber banding, and weak video [effects]."

Users elsewhere have also complained about the lack of chapter markers and exact playhead positioning, the need for a 1.9GHz G5 processor or better just to run the software, and the inability to port over earlier iMovie projects. Apple's release of iMovie HD 6 as a free download for customers of iLife '08 has been seen by many in the discussions as an attempt to placate early adopters who were disappointed by either the feature set or the lack of continuity from earlier versions.

For some, the shift in focus from preparing complex movie projects to simpler titles for YouTube and other websites was enough to suggest that just naming the program iMovie was an error, and that it should have been released as a companion product rather than a direct replacement. "It should have been named iTube or iVideo," one user reported, making allusions to its YouTube upload feature.

The reaction may spell trouble ahead for Apple and its hopes for the editing suite in the short term. The Mac maker declared at its August special event that iMovie '08 was a completely new program... as it potentially signaled a far easier way to assemble final videos than the conventional timeline.

But for those buyers with more advanced needs or who have simply become familiar with the basic concepts behind earlier versions, the new iMovie has so far been interpreted as an experiment that didn't justify the $79 price for an existing user.

"After discovering this was a stripped down version, I fortunately found my other version of iMovie HD and dragged the icon into tool bar," said one complaint. "I feel ripped off and as a recent Apple from PC convert, I'm still not totally sold on Apple products. I'm hoping they'll take this software back and can uninstall the entire iLife '08 software."
 
Mark Warren said:
"The company's support discussions for its new video editing tool were the home of several vocal debates in the weekend following its launch, with at least a few disappointed customers arguing that they had been misled by an Apple marketing campaign which suggested a direct successor to iMovie HD '06 rather than a from-scratch product with missing features.
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So, wait... if Apple doing this with FCP means Apple doesn't care about pros, Apple doing it with iMovie must mean Apple doesn't care about consumers either. Wow, so Apple doesn't care about anyone.

Or maybe, possibly, this is just Apple being Apple.
 
Chris Kenny said:
Wow, so Apple doesn't care about anyone.
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Yes, this would be the truth. Apple is perhaps the most narcissistic corporation on the planet. Apple is all about apple. They certainly don't care about anyone.

(And this from a guy typing on one of his 4 personal Macs, who's been a devotee since 1984.)
 
D Fuller said:
Yes, this would be the truth. Apple is perhaps the most narcissistic corporation on the planet. Apple is all about apple. They certainly don't care about anyone.

(And this from a guy typing on one of his 4 personal Macs, who's been a devotee since 1984.)
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Absolutely agree, I've never been a devotee, but the recent years I've been purchasing the Macbook Air, the Iphone and so on, beginning to be one because I think their products are stable. Recent times I've been questioning them a little, I was just about to go totally Apple when all these reports on them just focusing on the consumer market came falling in, then this with the FCP and everything just crashed down, so I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe I will built myself a PC instead, that way I know what the hell I have and I have control of my own stuff instead of letting someone else control my choices.

I think Apple is great in creating great systems, but there's a limit.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
Absolutely agree, I've never been a devotee, but the recent years I've been purchasing the Macbook Air, the Iphone and so on, beginning to be one because I think their products are stable. Recent times I've been questioning them a little, I was just about to go totally Apple when all these reports on them just focusing on the consumer market came falling in, then this with the FCP and everything just crashed down, so I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe I will built myself a PC instead, that way I know what the hell I have and I have control of my own stuff instead of letting someone else control my choices.

I think Apple is great in creating great systems, but there's a limit.
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One of the problems with Apple is that they are so often right in their design decisions that they don't know to question themselves. When they get it wrong, they have a very hard time self-correcting. (This is one of the prime symptoms of narcissism, which is why I made the comment above.) The make stuff for the way they see the world. If you come at it with different needs or a different POV, well you're SOL.

That being said, I'd still not hesitate to buy their computers. They are just brilliantly engineered. I've owned a lot of them, and seldom had issues. The same cannot be said for some of the Windows machines I've owned. And the OS has been very stable for most all of that time. But if they changed the machines in a way that didn't serve my needs, I'd be pretty pessimistic about seeing them change back. The whole direction of the FCPx thing has "sucked monkey balls" to borrow a line from Jeff, But I'd be a fool to let it color the whole of Apple's hardware/OS line.
 
http://sachin.posterous.com/why-apple-built-final-cut-pro-x

A former developer with Apple confirms that Apple is leaving the true pro market.

It makes sense from a corporate standpoint, but it is clear that they are onky going to do the bare minimum to support "industry pros" (or for that matter, students who want to learn on pro software; For students, Avid 5.5 and CS5.5 can be cheaper than FCPX).
 
I don't believe Apple ever wanted to enter the pro NLE market space to begin with.

FWIU, it was when Avid decided to not support a release of the Mac OS that Apple got scared and bought what became FCP from Macromedia. As long as Adobe and Avid consistently develop for the Mac OS, I can see why the incremental benefit of maintaining FCP Studio is small, esp. when considering that all that developer talent could be used elsewhere in battles that matter much more to Apple's profitability.
 
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