FCP 7 to REDCINE and Back Issue

[John Nouel]

Hi!

I've searched the forum and web for my specific problem but haven't find any answers. Hope any one of you can help me!

My usual workflow (which for several projects have work and havent gave me any problems until now) is:

1) Create low quality Apple Pro Res proxies on REDCINE
2) Edit in FINAL CUT
3) Import XML to Redcine and Reconect
4) Color Grading, export clips Apple Pro Res HQ
5) Import XML to FCP

The problem I'm having right now is that the clips REDCINE is exporting are shorter than the edit on the original timeline/xml. They ALL have a gap between them. I tried using handles so i can feel that gap, but then the export is all wrong with clips longer than the original XML.

This have never happened to me. The problem is, I think, the source material is at 23.98 and im force exporting in 25fps.

Have this ever happened to anyone before?

A little help? Thank you very much!

 

[Jean-Claude Benet]

Can you try exporting at 23.98 and seeing if that works? This is assuming your project time base was 23.98

 

[Hendro Setyo Wibowo]

I don't understand why would you need to force export it as 25fps? If you shoot using 23.98fps then your whole project should always be the same framerate as your footage. if you need to convert it to other framerate, convert the master of it.

Setyo

 

[Tony Muna]

Having the same issue here. Would love to know what the cause of this issue is.

 

[Tony Muna]

I don't mean to pester but does anyone have a solution. I know its an older workflow that should have been thrown away but some are not as fortunate and most.

I'm sure me and John M. or at least myself is trying to figure this out.

 

[Hendro Setyo Wibowo]

May I know where are you grading it? On REDCINE X or Resolve or Apple color?
I presume that you're using REDCINE X for Grading. I strongly suggest that you use 23.98fps for your whole entire workflow. From your edit, conforming and grading.

That's what I usually do. Only after I master out the project, only then I would Cross Convert it to different framerate.

But you can change it to 25fps, force render after grading if you want. I don't really recommend it though.

I've had this issue before, and I couldn't find any other way except the one i suggested. Because it's just way too much headache to eye match and shifting frames here and there.

Good luck man, tell us which way did you ened up with. May be there's a better solution than mine

Cheers

 

[John Nouel]

Hendro and Jean Thank you very much for your input.

Excuse my late answer but I had to pause all work until this week.

Indeed it's most likely the problem with the Render and XML import on FCP was the force 25fps preset. Adding handles, so I would fill that gap manually on FCP, only made it worst (Wrong in and outs, a complete mess)

I agree that I should have worked the whole project on 23.98. As presumed, exporting on those settings did not give me any problem at all. But the issue here was that Sound Editing on protools was done and it was done on the 25fps timebase (Apparently the original proxies where on 25 fps. BIG BIG BIG mistake). I really don't have much knowledge on how Sound Post works, but I was told it was impossible to work the sound to sincro at 23.98. Leaving any possible solution to me.

Just now, I managed to fix the problem by exporting not clip by clip but with the UNIQUE CLIP option on REDCINE <Timeline (#)> It successfully exported every correct shot with its correct duration, "in/out's" and no gaps between shots. It synchronised perfectly at 25fps.

Another solution I found (but didn't pursue) was just working with Resolve. I imported the offline 25fps XML to resolve and reconnected with no problem to the originals R3Ds. Thanks to the RMD I had the original grade I made on REDCINE so there was no work lost. Then I would just export on 25fps. I didnt do it, but several people suggested I wouldnt have any problem with this workflow.

The last solution would be to export clip by clip on 23,98 and then use Cinema Tools to conform them in 25fps. Then import to FCP. This of course is the least recommended and only an option in an extreme case where there is no time or no turning back (I guess there would be quality loss on the render of the render). I wouldnt know if this would give sincro issues but in another forum someone suggested this and confirmed it resolved a similar problem.

My recommendation of course is to work on the original frame rate always. But in a case like mine where it had to be 25fps, this fixed it.

Tony if you can't afford to export the whole sequence as one clip, another thing I tried was to export one shot at a time and manually insert them on FCP. Only did this with the first 10 shots, but they where correctly exported with no gap or issue.

Thanks again for the help and input.