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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

-FAST- 128GB flash shipping.

Hopefully to see its implementation on RED, but they will release their 16GB CF cards soon...so...don't know, maybe it wont happen that soon
 
davecw said:
I recall Red answering one post about the impossibility of simply modding your own dual SSD set-up using the Red Drive enclosure, because it's not as simple as just swapping out the platters for SSDs like you might do for a laptop - there'd also be code needed to be written for it...and who's going to do that...only Red.
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the sata command set is *very* basic - there is nothing special such drives can do, no matter if ssd or hdd.

Iirc, the c/f interface also uses standard sata, with standard c/f as the lexar i.e.

red however seems to poll the manufacturer string however, as the camera rejects non-approved media since some firmwares.

SSD are the optimal combination between the strenghts of HDD and c/f - and dont have their disadvantages. They are not so short on space as the 8/16 gb c/f, not so expensive and are not endangered by shock and vibration as are hdds - and also are noiseless, which hdds arent.

Can anyone from red comment on this?
 
laguun said:
the sata command set is *very* basic - there is nothing special such drives can do, no matter if ssd or hdd.

Iirc, the c/f interface also uses standard sata, with standard c/f as the lexar i.e.

red however seems to poll the manufacturer string however, as the camera rejects non-approved media since some firmwares.

SSD are the optimal combination between the strenghts of HDD and c/f - and dont have their disadvantages. They are not so short on space as the 8/16 gb c/f, not so expensive and are not endangered by shock and vibration as are hdds - and also are noiseless, which hdds arent.

Can anyone from red comment on this?
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Sata maybe standard but the firmware on drives varies tremendously. Even drives from well established vendors like seagate and hitachi can have problems with various hosts. While a drive might work fine on a pc (which gets the most initial testing) they often have bugs with various types of controllers/hosts. Over time you'll see alot of firmware revisions from drive vendors until the product starts to mature.

We are still working on SSD based media but it's taking some time because we are still in the process of modifying firmware. Some beta REDrams have gone to customers and put them through some tough conditions.

BTW, CF is IDE until CFast comes out which will be Sata based.
 
I'm dubious of the 80MB write speeds, but there's enough overhead in that number to assume that it should manage RED data rates.

I suspect one of the reasons that REDRam hasn't shipped yet is that the SSD market has been changing drastically (thanks largely to high-volume high-demand devices like the ASUS EeePC using SSD technology). If this is indeed the new generation of SSD then I expect we'll see that technology turn up in a RED-branded device soon.

For what it's worth, there's no reason you won't be able to use these SSD drives in SolidStore cartridges for onset backup, but I'm not sure it would be a huge advantage. Although we could look at it for onboard data-buffering (seeing as the write speeds of 2.5" SATA HDDs can be disappointing).
 
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Deanan said:
BTW, CF is IDE until CFast comes out which will be Sata based.
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Deanan, when the CFast comes out will it require a new module or will there just be some sort of firmware solution? And if it does require a module change, will the current board in the camera also have to be changed?

Just trying to figure out how this plays for the foreseeable future.
 
Since the CFast spec hasn't been ratified yet, it's really hard to say anything.
 
I believe that CFast is slated to have a different connector at the very least. I'd expect a new module would be needed, but the RED One seems expandable enough to support it without much trouble.
 
It's more like a sata+power connector but with additional pins.
 
Deanan said:
...We are still working on SSD based media but it's taking some time because we are still in the process of modifying firmware. Some beta REDrams have gone to customers and put them through some tough conditions.

BTW, CF is IDE until CFast comes out which will be Sata based.
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the port inside the RED is SATA not really IDE/ATA, isn't it ? Who had to exchange the CF port has seen the connector. Wonder what this thing does if some media is connected directly. Sorry for being so curious, but in the end it is a computer inside RED...:innocent:
 
I believe (and don't really know at all) that the RED CF module is essentially a CF/SATA unit (similar to those available for your PC). This is good as it means when CFast exists that the required SATA interface to the controller already exists.
 
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