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Eyeon Fusion support for Red

Peter McCully

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i wrote them about a couple months ago to implement this

fusion 6 will be cool

but generations will be game changing
 
awesome. I've always liked fusion, but only have been dabbling in it. I've been wondering if it's possible to do color grading in Fusion as good/easily as an dedicated grading application like Color. Would Fusion have a speed advantage because it can be used on a render farm?
 
Jason Ing said:
awesome. I've always liked fusion, but only have been dabbling in it. I've been wondering if it's possible to do color grading in Fusion as good/easily as an dedicated grading application like Color. Would Fusion have a speed advantage because it can be used on a render farm?
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I have used Fusion 6 extensively for color grading and it's by far the most powerful tool a colorist could dream of. The biggest problem is that it's a software designed for one-FX shot-per-time workflow so you need workaround tricks to grade long videos with multiple cuts.

In comparison with Scratch it's by far more powerful but Scratch is by far faster when dealing with multiple shots because it was designed for this.
 
Thanks Miltos and flameop.

It's more important to me to be able to work on the image and I'll deal with the more difficult workflow. I'm in no rush. Where would I learn the workaround tricks? I'm on the fusion list. Is Generation the answer? I saw it demoed at the LA Fusion meeting. It looked cool, but seemed overkill for just me and my personal projects. Is that crazy to think of grading on Fusion (or Shake) instead of Color for a movie? I've been playing with Color recently and it seems great, but there something about it that I just intuitively go toward Fusion or Shake. Maybe it's just me knowing what I want to do with my images... there might be a lot of tracking and "power windows".
 
Jason, if you like to tweak every little element of your shots then you will fall in love with Fusion. Tracking and masks are bread and butter for it. When you learn the tools better you might even come up with ideas and technics that users of color grading software would never dream of doing. The only problem as we said is that you need the time to battle the fact that it's workflow is not designed for grading. This doesn't mean Fusion is slow, as it's 64bit version is probably the fastest software-only compositing software currently available anywhere. It's also working on 32bit floating point precision (even Inferno doesn't) so you will never loose color information.

I am no sure if Generation is the answer for handling cuts with multiple shots because i haven't seen it in person yet but it might be. Only a couple of months left for it's release. We will see. If it IS the answer i for once will be the happiest person ever!

Miltos

P.S I am not working for Eyeon :-)
 
The extended rand of Eyeon tools are called Generations. These will allow the timeline and playback facilities saught after. Not intending to sound like a salesman! But I am looking at what is coming up. With .r3d files native, import of EDLs etc, it looks like they will have a pretty good way to set up a RED pipeline for users who want a lot of effects and image control. www.eyeonline.com
I find their colour grading tools pretty good and when you combine thse with all the spline controls thay are pretty powerful.
 
Peter, if through Generation we can import EDLs to Fusion and make it work like... say Scratch, then Assimilate and other grading software will be in big trouble. Fusion/Generation will be much more powerful than the competition and in a VERY competitive price range.

The only minus will be that Fusion has so many things to master that the learning curve will be slightly longer :-)
 
For grading its not the way to go guys.. really...

its a vfx comp app.. and a versioning app.

if you have the time sure... but if you spend the time learning a grading app you'll be faster.

Suppose horses for courses.. I can grade in flame. I can do more. But I can get through more in Speedgrade or Scratch quicker...

If your a small shop then it may suite..

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generations will be great...

editing, version stacking, grading 4k playback

the power to do simple edits, but if you need it the power of a nodal compositer at your fingertips....full 3d particles....3d cameras and objects with import of animations ect via FBX...

the things to watch for will be if they have a quicker grading interface, so you don't need a nodal network for a shot if it dosn't need it.

all this under $10,000
 
Having looked at the grading tools in Flame and comparing them to Fusion the difference is not huge. Fusion is fine for for a basic grade and of course there a more specialized tools around but for a smaller FX house there's what you need in Fusion. I'll wait and see what the Generations setup can do but it looks promising. Also, the learning curve in Fusion is not steep. It's very intuative.
 
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