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Express Video Card: PNY VCQ5000-PB Quadro 5000 HELP!!

Since that card doesn't work in a Mac, perhaps Apple Workflow is not the right place to post this question.

High-end 3D cards aren't made for Macs because most high-end 3D artists don't use Macs (bit of a chicken and egg situation because if they made a high-end 3D card for a Mac, you'd see more high-end 3D artists moving over... but you get the idea).

What is your friend actually trying to do?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
What info is he looking for? IT WILL NOT WORK IN A MAC!!! Figured I would mention that since this is the Apple Workflow forum.

Or better to ask, what does he want to use it for? Compared to this Quadro, the new GTX580 has more stream processors (often called CUDA cores) and is clocked faster for about 1/3 the price. Quadro is clocked more conservatively to guaranty stability and longevity and has more onboard memory. The Quadro also has dual DisplayPort + DVI and genloc/n3D connector. There is a 512-core Quadro version coming soon, but it may arrive after the first of the year.

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And Bruce beat me to the punch...
 
he should get the new quadro 4000 for the mac, it's literally best bang for the buck for workstation class video cards. lots of cuda cores, great clock speeds, cheaper than last generations' 4800 too! that is if this is for mac.
 
Tom.Wong said:
he should get the new quadro 4000 for the mac, it's literally best bang for the buck for workstation class video cards. lots of cuda cores, great clock speeds, cheaper than last generations' 4800 too! that is if this is for mac.
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Thanks Tom,

but after finding out that the card Paolo linked is for PC, I think that possibly He is looking for the best card for his PC station and not his MAC ;)
 
That may or may not be the "best" card for his PC use. It depends on what he wants to use it for. The GTX580 will run circles around that Quadro 5000 in RAW CUDA performance. But in most other regards, the Quadro is the better card and more capable in terms of hardware interfaces or obscure functions that may be needed by specific software. If I were setting up a PC workstation that was predominantly used for Maya, Houdini, certain CAD/CAE applications, I would choose the Quadro. If it's for Adobe CS5, gaming, general use where speed is the primary concern, I would go with the GeForce card.

If it is for the Mac, the Quadro 4000 is probably the way to go. In terms of performance it's truly only 10-15% faster than the GTX285, which can be had for under $300 on eBay. However, it has a lot of good things going for it over the 285 -- It occupies a single slot width, giving you the option to use that adjacent slot space for other cables / adapters, etc.. The Quadro 4000 Mac Edition has a DisplayPort connector on it and while it's "only" about 15% faster, it's still 15% and many of us will take what we can get.

the only real complaint I have about the Quadro 4000 for the Mac is that we have to pay a $400 premium over the common PC version. But I suppose that's the price of nVidia developing the Mac drivers.
 
Hey guys,
Ketch, thanks for your help while i'm stealing unlocked wifi down in the car.
I'm willng to replace my Quadro 4500 on a PC Win 7/64, used for RCx, CS5, Vue and C4D works. Would like to have some feedback on the 5000, is it so much better than the 4000?
Bests everybody, disconneting and going back to the dark ages again...
 
Thanks Jeff,
your input about the 580 is precious (and cheaper).
Is RCx one of the software who needs those "obscure functions"?
 
RC-X is not one of those applications. In fact, RC-X hardly uses the GPU at all.

The Quadro FX4500 is quite old now -- it is essentially the hot-rod version of the GeForce 7800GT, which is from 2005. And that card does not really support CUDA acceleration. If you're looking to upgrade from that card, then I would also ask about the other specs of this PC? If the system is a couple years old as it is, then the 580 is probably not a good move either.

Based on the programs you have listed, I would recommend the GTX460. Possibly the 480 or 580 if you have a late model i7 CPU. CS5 uses the GPU the most of any of the applications you have listed. However, the Mercury Playback Engine is still predominantly CPU-bound for decoding H.264 and R3D files. If your CPU and RAM are not up to the task, you won't be able to take advantage of that GeForce card anyway.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
RC-X is not one of those applications. In fact, RC-X hardly uses the GPU at all.

The Quadro FX4500 is quite old now -- it is essentially the hot-rod version of the GeForce 7800GT, which is from 2005. And that card does not really support CUDA acceleration. If you're looking to upgrade from that card, then I would also ask about the other specs of this PC? If the system is a couple years old as it is, then the 580 is probably not a good move either.

Based on the programs you have listed, I would recommend the GTX460. Possibly the 480 or 580 if you have a late model i7 CPU. CS5 uses the GPU the most of any of the applications you have listed. However, the Mercury Playback Engine is still predominantly CPU-bound for decoding H.264 and R3D files. If your CPU and RAM are not up to the task, you won't be able to take advantage of that GeForce card anyway.
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I'm running an i7 980x with 12GB ram.
Are the gtx outputting 12bits?
thanks again.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
Jeff, which card are you using in your Macs?
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I currently have an '08 3.2GHz 8-core and an '09 2.93GHz 8-core, both with a GTX285 in them.

I had a third tower, another '09 unit on my DIT cart, but it died a premature death. So I pulled the GTX285 card from it and installed it in the '08 machine. That '08 machine shipped with the 8800GT card and was upgraded with the ATI 4870 from my first '09 tower when I got my first 285..

Apple techs couldn't get exact replacement parts (new logic board and CPUs) for my dead tower, so they offered to let me order a new one, but I asked for some time to decipher what I wanted since the specs are different. So now I have an Apple credit voucher. I'm undecided on whether I want to order a 2.66GHz 12-core or just hold off for the next round. Just got the voucher thing this past week anyway.

If I do order the new system, I'll go for the Quadro 4000 and set it up for Resolve. That's really my sticking point. I don't need Resolve now and I've been holding off, watching how the various solutions for PCIe expansion work out, among other things.

Paolo Tinari said:
I'm running an i7 980x with 12GB ram.
Are the gtx outputting 12bits?
thanks again.
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The 580 would be a good choice, 480 and 470 wouldn't be a bad options either. They are capable of 10bit output via DisplayPort and HDMI. Both the 400 and 500 series cards support up to HDMI 1.4 with 10bit Deep Color and DisplayPort 1.1a at up to 10bit. Same with the Quadro cards. However, it's up to individual applications to support this. CS5 is the only application you listed that supports this -- via the Mercury playback engine and a kludge feature in Photoshop that just kinda works. You can only get 8bit out via the DVI connectors. Internal color processing on these cards is 10-bit.

No GeForce card outputs 12bits. The only Quadros that support 12bit output are the SDI equipped Quadro models.

EDIT> 10bit output from CS5 MPE is advertised specifically for the Quadro cards and the GTX470, but this was published before they certified the GTX480, so I'm making the ASSUMPTION that it works too. I haven't tried it myself -- I have a PC with the 480, but have not attempted 10bit output or connected it to a 10bit HDMI display. Same with the GTX580 -- it technically supports the output, but it's very new, so no application software is making any claims of support yet.
 
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Jeff Kilgroe said:
I currently have an '08 3.2GHz 8-core and an '09 2.93GHz 8-core, both with a GTX285 in them.

I had a third tower, another '09 unit on my DIT cart, but it died a premature death. So I pulled the GTX285 card from it and installed it in the '08 machine. That '08 machine shipped with the 8800GT card and was upgraded with the ATI 4870 from my first '09 tower when I got my first 285..

Apple techs couldn't get exact replacement parts (new logic board and CPUs) for my dead tower, so they offered to let me order a new one, but I asked for some time to decipher what I wanted since the specs are different. So now I have an Apple credit voucher. I'm undecided on whether I want to order a 2.66GHz 12-core or just hold off for the next round. Just got the voucher thing this past week anyway.

If I do order the new system, I'll go for the Quadro 4000 and set it up for Resolve. That's really my sticking point. I don't need Resolve now and I've been holding off, watching how the various solutions for PCIe expansion work out, among other things.
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How's the 285 working with Red Rocket in PP CS5? Are you using it in that configuration?
 
Rocket support in Premiere is only half-baked. I leave it turned off as it will slow Mercury to a crawl on any decently fast system with a good GPU. It's only good for final render output if I want to allow it for that. And it's a help in AE. But all Rocket support in the Adobe software still needs a lot of work.
 
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