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"Everyone should shoot 4K"

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RED is saying that everyone should shoot 4K so their films will be future proof. When 4K is standard, there will be a lot of 4K cameras for way cheaper price and computers that can easily edit 4K material will be as cheap as 1080p machines now. But the thing is that in the future resolution will go beyond 4K for displays, TV's, projectors etc and then your 4K material isn't future proof anymore. It might take 10, 15 or 20 years when 8K~ is standard, but that time will come. I think that people shouldn't look too much in the future but instead make their work for the time they are living in. Your next film is going to be seen NOW in 2K, it is made for this point in time, it's not made to be seen in 5 years or 10 years from now. Your film is going to have its impact to the audience and to your career NOW.

Use equipment that is standard for that point in time you are living in. There is no such a thing as future proof footage.
 
I think what Jim and the rest of the team mean by telling us all to shoot in 4k+ (or at least 3k on the Scarlet) and to "future-proof" our films means that 3k-5k (what you can film now) will look great in theaters now either on 2k or 4k projectors (my local Regal theater has a handful of 4K projectors that I'd love to rent to see Scarlet footage on when I get it)

and in the future 3k-5k will become the standard resolutions of all theater projectors and home television and computer monitors, probably over the next 3-5 years or so. So your film will be perfect and require no upscaling or retouching for up to an estimated 5-6 years

and when the standard surpasses that of the current 3k-5k cameras, the footage you shoot today in 3k-5k will be MUCH more flexible to upscale to 6k-8k than your 1080p footage. Of cours in 10+ years when you say this'll be the standard, I'm sure RED and other camera companies will have new products that shoot in 6k+ ( maybe the 645 28k montro will even be out then!)

this is the pattern I think of when the term "future-proof" comes up on these forums.
 
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Anthony Cote said:
and when the standard surpasses that of the current 3k-5k cameras, the footage you shoot today in 3k-5k will be MUCH more flexible to upscale to 6k-8k than your 1080p footage. Of cours in 10+ years when you say this'll be the standard, I'm sure RED and other camera companies will have new products that shoot in 6k+ ( maybe the 645 28k montro will even be out then!)

this is the pattern I think of when the term "future-proof" comes up on these forums.
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Yes manufacturers will of course have cameras to match the standard resolution no matter how big the resolution in the future is. But the point was that your 4K footage you shoot now is not future proof. Just like your 8K footage in the future will not be future proof for the next era. 4K is the next step and your EPIC footage is future proof to that point, not beyond that. 2K is not going to upscale to 4K, 4K is not going to upscale to 8K and so on.
 
Derek,

By your knowledge and theory, every piece of footage which has origninated on 35mm film (for example) should be what? destroyed? because at some point it will not be "future proofed?

So when they continued to shoot 35mm film when 8mm was readily available maybe they should have switched over to the "standard of the time?"

I am pretty sure you are thinking out loud or have not fully considered your position, it's about the most feeble argument I have seen put forward here in a long time.

And why make it this statemen tot the world here on REDUSER? Just shoot 2k and be happy. Why tell us we are all idiots for capturing 4K?

Maybe we should burn up the dead sea scrolls while we are at it.


David
 
Derek S. said:
Use equipment that is standard for that point in time you are living in. There is no such a thing as future proof footage.
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And that standard is now 5K acquisition for 2k distribution.

David
 
Its future proof just as much as a film negative is, except it isn't slowly fading in the colors and blacks. 4K is way more future proof than 1080p is or 2K for that matter. You can see the difference between footage that was shot in 4K versus footage shot in 1080p or 2K. The same difference will be there in a 100 years from now. So for the sake of everyone watching something you made a 100 years from now, shoot 4K. Shoot the highest resolution you can at the time. This is why I love shooting timelapse in RAW on my 5D2. I know that I'm getting the same resolution as a vista vision frame with my shots and it will last a long time into the future, unless we change how we watch movies. But even then I know the footage I capture now can still hold up way into the future...or at least I hope so.
 
There is a long and rich discussion on this forum, lead by Jim, that details why 4K is relevant as a "future proof" resolution because of the 100+ year history of film and the relationship between what film resolves and 4K. Your comment exhibits a lack of knowledge of the reasons behind this premise, as well as any insight as to why we aren't just talking about more, more, more, indiscriminately.

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Like I said, 4K is just one step more future proof than 2K.
 
You are right.

Problem solved.

we should close up this thread.

There is nothing left to talk about.

David
 
Terry VerHaar said:
There is a long and rich discussion on this forum, lead by Jim, that details why 4K is relevant as a "future proof" resolution because of the 100+ year history of film and the relationship between what film resolves and 4K.
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I know that, but the technology is not going to stop there. It's moving faster than ever and will move even faster in the future.

It's the same with still cameras. It's not stopping to the point where digital SLR's are equal to the film cameras. Film users will have to eventually move along.
 
David Battistella said:
You are right.

Problem solved.

we should close up this thread.

There is nothing left to talk about.

David
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You don't agree that 4K is just one step more future proof? RED has even said themselfs that 2K don't scale to 4K, so why would 4K scale to 8K? I mean, it doesn't matter if you have 2K or 4K, it is not going to scale to 8K.
 
If you shoot something that moves people in some way, regardless of format or resolution, then people will continue to watch it for years and years to come.

Heck, I can stream Metropolis (1927) on netflix right now (2011) if I want to...
 
Derek,

I guess it is just that your attitude seems defeatist. It's like saying "don't bother" because it's only going to get better so just settle with what is the "standard".

It's obvious that we will progress, but I guess I am not getting the complete picture of teh point you are trying to make.

Are you just putting forth an argument that states that progress is inevitable and everything you capture now is never going to be future proof, so therefore saying it is impossible to future proof.

If that's it, I get it, but I still do not understand the point.

David
 
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