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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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With Dragon I think this will be fine, but I don't know what magic red cameras everyone else is using that can see in the dark. Even at 2,000 ISO my camera sees nothing but black while I see subtle noise free detail.
 
Jannard said:
The future will be quite a bit different than what we know as "now". Everyone will need to adjust. That is what professionals do.

In the end... it is all about the image. Sorry to be so cryptic. In this day and age, that is the best I can do. But I am more excited than ever for what is about to unfold.

Jim
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Single lens in-camera 3D capture using a lytro-like sensor but for video?
 
Jannard said:
The trick is to get EVFs better. Not go back to OVFs.

Jim
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Agreed! The mag option is awesome, but when we roll an EVF with variable peaking option would be very helpful!

hint-hint :)
 
Jannard said:
Back to optical VFs for a second. Final word. I promise.

I think this is asked only because it was asked before... and before that. It is a historical thing... maybe?

Film guys like Don Burgess and Wolski have switched to RED. They ask for a lot of stuff. So does Fincher... every other day. But an optical finder is not one of them. It has never come up. Actually... no DP shooting a studio movie on RED has ever asked for it. Ever.

EVFs and LCDs see into the dark. OVFs do not. Focus pullers don't look into an OVF.

You may as well ask us to make sure you can shoot film on a RED camera as an option... :-)

Jim
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Agreed! I have $350k in film cameras collecting dust (ok, they were $350k). I have 20 years looking through Optical VFs and I really think they are just a tool to help the "only-film" guys transition. It can be tricky to focus through the film camera when that shutter is spinning at 24 and REALLY hard at 90+ fps... An AC will argus they are focusing anyway and they should be. Outside with 500asa film and lots of ND it is almost imposable for the operator to see the stinger cord in the shadows through his O-EVF. I would rather evaluate a digital exposure off a histo or scope not out of an optical EVF. I would rather the focus puller look at a nuts-on HDsdi out not a flickering vid tap if they need a reference. I have asked myself many times, so on a digital camera, whats the point of an optical EVF other than helping the Film folks transition?

I have 3 film cameras and 5 reds, I have NEVER wanted an optical EVF on my Reds. just my 2cent :)

Prost,
Rich
 
Don't forget that there is also the Global shutter point wich we seem to forget here!

IMHO it's a relevant issue, OVF don't have.

Looking for that Dragon.

Pat
 
Mechanical shutter will add an extra 10K at least... But I think it will worth it. Not for Scarlet, but for Epic XX would be great. Or some sort of tessive time built-in filter (which will be variable ND as well) and technically add just an extra bucks to the cost :)
 
Mechanical shutter? $10K? No one signed up. And it makes sense to me why they didn't.

OVFs and mechanical shutters are so 1970s. Truly.

Jim

Dmitry Burenok said:
Mechanical shutter will add an extra 10K at least... But I think it will worth it. Not for Scarlet, but for Epic XX would be great. Or some sort of tessive time built-in filter (which will be variable ND as well) and technically add just an extra bucks to the cost :)
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Jannard said:
$10K? No one signed up. And it makes sense to me why they didn't.

OVFs and mechanical shutters are so 1970s. Truly.

Jim
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The idea of a mechanical shutter is what's great, not necessarily the reality of it.. We should be working on how to make evf technology that much better. There's so much more possibility with an electronic one.
 
Jannard said:
OVFs and mechanical shutters are so 1970s. Truly.
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Are you saying you don't see the benefits of having a mechanical shutter on a camera that uses an electronic rolling shutter? Are you saying you don't think there is anything objectionable with the rolling shutter artifact in the video below? You do understand a mechanical shutter would remove the partial exposures right? Partial exposures from strobes, due to a rolling shutter, is a very ugly and distracting artifact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCGfMG-kAtA
 
Jannard said:
OVFs and mechanical shutters are so 1970s. Truly.
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If that's your opinion it is respected, but the look of motion has room for improvement.
 
Hey, here's an idea, not that I am taking it too seriously TBH: how about a similar set-up to Super-8 cameras? You have a split prism in front of a vertical, spinning shutter wheel. The actual VF would be electronic, though, and not optical. So you have: the advantage of a global shutter; the advantage of an EVF; and no flickering.
 
I really dig the sturdyness no mechanical parts except for the mount gives.

That said, a built in nd would come in handy, and if we're talking 2000 base iso rating....
 
I stopped using my bomb EVF v1 for practical monitoring. I only pull it out when necessary.

when you operate for more than 10hrs a day, 2-4 weeks straight, it starts to take a toll on your vision. after awhile i couldn't take it between the backlit and flicker refresh, for that reason i stick to monitors, short shoots its not that bad you dont notice it. Even on the Alexa EVF I felt the same.

I haven't tried or tested the new OLED Bomb EVF version not sure if it's any better. it would be nice to do something along the way of PaperWhite technology where the light is bounced through fiber optics as opposed to light directed at your pupils.

It was funny to hear old film folk complain about digital back in 2010. "You always have to have the camera on to frame and set-up a shot". They really liked their OVF.

I always wondered if Reflex finders will disappear in DSLR, I personally like OVF you feel one with the camera. although some cameras had really crappy OVF lol.

for digital cinema it's allot harder to include, it takes up space, the Aaton has a crazy circular shutter and OVF seems like the only digicinema camera that offers a OVF aside one of the Alexa models.

it seriously would make no sense for RED to go that route it'd make the camera too big and you no longer make it DSMC
 
ND Filter built in coming soon? it kinda makes sense and saves you alot of time...

my 2 cents...

Alalin M
 
Gunleik Groven said:
I really dig the sturdyness no mechanical parts except for the mount gives.

That said, a built in nd would come in handy, and if we're talking 2000 base iso rating....
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Please don't hate me Gunleik, you know hopefully I respect you tremendously. I feel it cheapens the camera to build in the ND... It's a cinema camera... Even on a Bolex you'd have to cut gel carefully.

-E
 
Built in would be fantastic. More options doesn't cheapen the package. When shooting in light configuration doc style and daylight I'm forced to use a variable ND (opposing polarizers). Can't be dealing with a matte box and 4x5 filters. Not ideal at all. I'd love a built in.
 
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