Essential missing feature for the fixed scarlet.

[Wayne Morellini]

Water/weather proofing.

It allows for handheld use of the fixed scarlet with better protection then a weather cover, at modest manufacturing costs. Protects against little accidents. Only needs to resist being dropped in water to float (though if it could be stuck handheld into water that would be great too, given the relevant pressure impacts, that should be less then dropping it in water). For anybody that wants to scuba dive, they can buy a case.

All buttons and controls can be made weather proofed (to the extent that it does not damage it). The case can also be. Modules can be, but waterproofing is another issue. Display, speaker, microphone and lens can be weather proofed. Interface ports can be in sealed compartments, and short range wireless wideband datalink to disk backup could be used for even more protection. Magnetic induction could be used for charging.

 

[Zac C]

or what you can do, is stick the Scarlet under a big raincover, only the lens peaking out, and take the redmote off, walk back under the tent, with the fixed lens... you have Full Control

 

[Stephen Gentle]

Only needs to resist being dropped in water to float (though if it could be stuck handheld into water that would be great too, given the relevant pressure impacts, that should be less then dropping it in water).

Float? The thing is made out of metal... I doubt that the lens module (which looks pretty much completly finished) could be waterproofed without a massive overhaul anyway, let alone the brain...

I don't think there's any chance, really. Just buy a housing if it's that much of a concern for you.

 

[Joel Arvidsson]

If im In the tent do I have to drag cable for the picture to the tent?=) Is it any priseworth device for wireless sending the image? I would like to loose the cables on set!

 

[Kyle Presley]

Water/weather proofing.

It allows for handheld use of the fixed scarlet with better protection then a weather cover, at modest manufacturing costs. Protects against little accidents. Only needs to resist being dropped in water to float (though if it could be stuck handheld into water that would be great too, given the relevant pressure impacts, that should be less then dropping it in water). For anybody that wants to scuba dive, they can buy a case.

All buttons and controls can be made weather proofed (to the extent that it does not damage it). The case can also be. Modules can be, but waterproofing is another issue. Display, speaker, microphone and lens can be weather proofed. Interface ports can be in sealed compartments, and short range wireless wideband datalink to disk backup could be used for even more protection. Magnetic induction could be used for charging.

Essential missing feature? What current camera does this?

 

[Oliver Smith]

I don't think waterproofing is really an essential feature. The types of shoots which require a waterproof camera, mostly require a proper housing. It is unlikely a Scarlet would float, and being able to make it float, and making all aspects waterproof (especially the lens and module mounts) would be an expensive process.

However, I think it is relatively given that most cameras are at least partly water-resistant, and as long as the build quality on the Scarlet is up to par, it will assuredly be able to stand in the rain for a few minutes.

I remember shooting a few years ago at a bike race, when it just started pouring. The race wasn't cancelled, so everyone kept shooting. First to go was the Canon, next went the HVX, and the Sony I was working with battled through with just a small plastic bag covering it for the biggest dumps. It was absolutely drenched in water, and managed to cover the whole race until dark.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

I don't think waterproofing is really an essential feature. The types of shoots which require a waterproof camera, mostly require a proper housing. It is unlikely a Scarlet would float, and being able to make it float, and making all aspects waterproof (especially the lens and module mounts) would be an expensive process.

However, I think it is relatively given that most cameras are at least partly water-resistant, and as long as the build quality on the Scarlet is up to par, it will assuredly be able to stand in the rain for a few minutes.

I remember shooting a few years ago at a bike race, when it just started pouring. The race wasn't cancelled, so everyone kept shooting. First to go was the Canon, next went the HVX, and the Sony I was working with battled through with just a small plastic bag covering it for the biggest dumps. It was absolutely drenched in water, and managed to cover the whole race until dark.

At last somebody with something sensible to say . I suppose that my idea went down like a lead balloon (mind you that Myth busters got a lead balloon to float, and looking at their experiments they don't appear to be overly the brightest 'science' experimenters).

But that is exactly what I mean. It is not just that, on the low end you might be doing and encounter many unplanned events. I even like to film weather, get some nice stuff. In CA you might be dryer, but not everywhere. A car comes by and hits a big pot hole, you get bumped severely and drop it (we know that we would normally hold on, but stuff happens), you are filming, and might like to stick the lens in the water for a unplanned shot. But it is also what extra things it allows you to do without having to lug a housing around (and how many housings for all the module options sticking out).

Just thinking, I have come up against these problems before, and the modules could also be easily water proofed using a few new innovative techniques I were looking at using for my products.

The case maybe metals, but there are ways to get metal things to float, lie those aircraft caries, and submarines. You can thin (as long as it does not dent) the metal and back it with plastic to replace strength. If there is enough free space inside, you can vacuum seal it, or fill with helium if you really like, but as you suspect maybe there will not be enough. Still, air in the case could be easily sensed, and show that it is likely lost it's waterproofing.

Still, I am already ahead of you guys, I only suggested this for the fixed scarlet, not for the others, which would be easier to seal. Still they say that the fixed lens is recessed back in the case and not be detachable. I had an idea for a camera design with such a lens that was detachable years ago, that could still be done, but you have to have a 2/3rd lens that can be recessed in this way.

Essential missing feature? What current camera does this?

Face it, if it could be done cheaply and obstructively, wouldn't you all like to have it for the convenience, so from marketing it is neat. Maybe it does not need to float, but I rather have it on the surface where I can grab it then at the bottom. But you could make a floaty on the back of a shoulder strap (even the whole strap that is padded for buoyancy so that it will keep the camera from sinking too far). This gives rise to an idea, but it would be heavy. there is a non-conductive liquid used to cool electronics, that could fill the case for water proofing, then the strap and floaty could provide buoyancy, but heavy, and bigger, big, floaty). Now, how many of Jim's guy think like that (he knows what I mean).

If im In the tent do I have to drag cable for the picture to the tent?=) Is it any priseworth device for wireless sending the image? I would like to loose the cables on set!

I regard wireless as unreliable, what I suggested is a simple system for backup (if the data packet is corrupted it can be resent over wireless to the disk) but to scale it up over distance might be far more costly (extra power, regulation over airwaves use, that might not apply at lower power levels etc, and just generally bigger implantation in the device) where you might be able to sue a compact consumer wireless solution (newer high speed HDMI wireless technologies in the many gb/s a second range, which might provide ideal if a packet structure can be sent over it, but not for all cameras).

 

[Brandon_J]

You are mistaken, the weather needs to be RED proofed, rain doesn't fall on the Scarlet, the Scarlet falls on the rain!

 

[Peter Moretti]

"Modest manufacturing costs" does not jibe w/ the rest of your post.

 

[David Rasberry]

Compared to most prosumer cameras, I think Scarlet will be moderately weather resistant. The body and electronics are sealed. My current Canon doesn't even like high humidity.
Lenses are a different matter. You want to keep your optics dry for sure. Rain covers and underwater housings are the way to go.

 

[Juhan Malmstein]

Dude are you on crack or did you just do shrooms?
RED is finally getting close to beta testing the cameras and now you come out with an idea that "the cameras with unheard of specs at an unheard of price point with 11 000 parts could easily be buoyant and waterproof" just so you could shove your scarlet into a puddle. Now I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to be able to do that - it definitely would, but c-mon, they give you a finger and you want the arm, shoulder and ribcage to go with it. It feels like all RED fans want the ULTIMATE camera, but nobody seems to understand that RED will give us a whole bunch of cameras that will "only" be good enough to kick every other camera's ass on this planet. Now repeat after me: "SCARLETS WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH TO KICK ASS". The revolution and innovation will never come if you don't have problems to work around.

Now go and get yourself a swiss army knife, a roll of silver duct tape(or as the whole Estonian/Baltic cinema/TV industry refers to it, the McGyver tape) and go connect with your inner problemsolver.

As for weatherproofing -

+

= win

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Dude are you on crack or did you just do shrooms?
RED is finally getting close to beta testing the cameras and now you come out with an idea that "the cameras with unheard of specs at an unheard of price point with 11 000 parts could easily be buoyant and waterproof" just so you could shove your scarlet into a puddle. Now I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to be able to do that - it definitely would, but c-mon, they give you a finger and you want the arm, shoulder and ribcage to go with it. It feels like all RED fans want the ULTIMATE camera, but nobody seems to understand that RED will give us a whole bunch of cameras that will "only" be good enough to kick every other camera's ass on this planet. Now repeat after me: "SCARLETS WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH TO KICK ASS". The revolution and innovation will never come if you don't have problems to work around.

Now go and get yourself a swiss army knife, a roll of silver duct tape(or as the whole Estonian/Baltic cinema/TV industry refers to it, the McGyver tape) and go connect with your inner problemsolver.

As for weatherproofing -

+

= win

There usually always has to be at least one on craic. ^

http://www.answers.com/topic/crack-craic

Something really cool that didn't occur to us (though I have been forgetting to post this since the October announcements).

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that compared to the 11 thousand parts in the camera (with an announced number of parts) waterproofing is like the finger than the arm . Even if it takes till a future version next year or so, for weather proofing to come out, it would still be cool. Jim, I am available as usual, try messaging instead of old number.

(There are a few water proof consumer cameras around) and you can even make metal float without begin on crack .

 

[Peter Moretti]

Newsflash. Scarlet has been redesigned according to Wayne's vision. Scarlet will now be a FF35mm FILM camera...

and be waterproof, and cheaper, and sold in Walmart, and disposable.

It is the DSMMC, Disposable Sealed Mickey Mouse Camera.


No offense mate .

 

[Juhan Malmstein]

Sorry if I sounded rude, it wasn't intentional. There have just been a lot of these threads with "missing essential features", out of which only a few might be worth considering, and almost all are too late since the cameras(or at least their physical appearance) are almost done.

 

[Russ Blaise]

...and sold in Walmart, and disposable. It is the DSMMC, Disposable Sealed Mickey Mouse Camera.

That can only mean that they will be made in China :frown5:

 

[DCC Erickson]

You are mistaken, the weather needs to be RED proofed, rain doesn't fall on the Scarlet, the Scarlet falls on the rain!

Chuck Norris wanted his Scarlet factory-waterproofed, but his Scarlet round-house kicked him in the nuts and told him to go stand in the rain. Chuck Norris cried like a wuss and immediately rusted his belt buckle.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Newsflash. Scarlet has been redesigned according to Wayne's vision. Scarlet will now be a FF35mm FILM camera...

and be waterproof, and cheaper, and sold in Walmart, and disposable.

It is the DSMMC, Disposable Sealed Mickey Mouse Camera.


No offense mate .

Well two on the craic

None taken. I have been doing this stuff for years, advocating/plugging/suggesting for improvements and better features on a number of cameras (and other products) and it works too. But I thought this was a wonderful simple feature, it is a shame I didn't think of it a year ago. it is good that I have a number capable friends in engineering, and an interest myself, with my own design ideas. But I go over the imaginations of even the expert sometimes, and they can't believe it is possible (usually due to assumptions and gaps in insight). I thought your joke was funny, then I realized that it is basically simular to my latest pro camera design concept, at the moment I am onto how to design cameras the size of a grain of sand. $100 pro and consumer from wallmart, possible eventually at quality, though the $1000 of flash storage for pro might be another thing. But we are still heading towards 2400dpi wide angle footage in 3D. So a bit of life in the pro industry yet before we can get to 3D volumetric footage.


Juhan, hopefully in future version, now Gige connection.


DCC, you can send my condolences to Chuck .

 

[Martin Weiss]

Gentlemen, behave.

Thankyou.

 

[David Swan]

I don't know about waterproofing, that's going too far, but weatherproofing to Pro Canon / Nikon standards, I don't see why that too much too ask, afterall, even the base model is aimed at pros.
If you're using a DSMC as a stills camera, then you're not going to be under a tent, you could be holding the damn thing under a cloudburst, or at the other extreme, be cought in a dust storm (Or even eg in the dust from a rally car).
Dave