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ESPN: "Get ready for 4K Sports"

thanks for sharing, great first post.
 
Encouraging to see.

I've argued with Jim a lot about whether or not 4K will take off in the home. He sees it as inevitable.

I want it, but I think there will be serious consumer pushback. Times are rough economically, people just got these HDTV's and I'm not convinced ordinary folks tell the difference in a home entertainment environment.

As a result I think most won't buy 4K until their 1080p TVs break and 4K TVs are available at the "magic" under $1000 price point. This could be the technology of the 2020's.
 
well, alex... at least you got your argument into a few sentences this time. :)

btw, projectors are next...
 
paulherrin said:
well, alex... at least you got your argument into a few sentences this time. :)

btw, projectors are next...
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Heh ... well maybe people won't get so exercised about it in that form.

Projectors ... I want something I can drop in the studio and drive with a Decklink 4K or HDMI sources. (I think its cool that HDMI supports 4K)

What I am really hopeful for is just finally getting some computer monitors with higher resolution than 1920x1200 as the norm.
 
Not to be Contrary about this, but I'd have to question where you can put RED into this equation. They have shown no interest in the quick-turnaround TV market, like sports or other live events, and do not produce rackable cameras suitable for live TX. Higher resolution systems have been trialled for many years in the form of the 8k SHDTV Japanese system, and it seems unlikely that with even RED moving past 4 K, that it would become the next HD format of choice. Even iPads will be 2K soon.

Sorry - but I have to chuckle when people put these things together. Whatever drives this adoption for live broadcast and transmission, it won't, on current form, be RED.
 
But I thought the experts at Cinematography.com told us it was going to be 20 years before 4K got to the home?
 
Ben Holmes said:
Not to be Contrary about this, but I'd have to question where you can put RED into this equation. They have shown no interest in the quick-turnaround TV market,
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Not from where I'm sitting...
 
Looks like 4K for the TV is coming, but NOT in 2:1 ratio.

For example, Onkyo's 2011 line of receivers is supporting 3840x2160 resolution (4K 16:9 ratio).
They use Qdeo technology from Marvell to upscale footage to 4K 16:9.

Though, I'm not really sure on which TV/Projector they're aiming at, as I haven't seen any TV at retail with 4K support.
 
Yes, because people were so quick to adopt HD... Im guessing they cant wait to shell out for 4k.
 
I'm far more excited about 4K sports than 3D sports...

You could build a whole new sports bar experience around the 80 ft. 4K screen. That would be wicked.
 
What a shocker. Once the industry realizes people do want to wear 3d glasses on their living room couch, that they'll come up with something else to sell us all new sets for. Ha. Sounds cynical, I know. Obviously, anything that increases quality is a good thing. But I'm surely not shocked that they'll try to continue to sell us new televisions every 4-5 year.
 
Alexander Ibrahim said:
... As a result I think most won't buy 4K until their 1080p TVs break and 4K TVs are available at the "magic" under $1000 price point. This could be the technology of the 2020's.
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Hehe don't worry Alex, todays TVs break very very quickly, so within 2 years you are ready to buy your first 4K TV ... if you like it or not ;)
 
Ben Holmes said:
Whatever drives this adoption for live broadcast and transmission, it won't, on current form, be RED.
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Sound like what people said about Apple and the mobile phone after the first Apple/Motorola iPod Phone. We have no idea what RED is working on behind the scenes.

-Michael Zaletel
 
Ben Holmes said:
Whatever drives this adoption for live broadcast and transmission, it won't, on current form, be RED.
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Note added emphasis.

michael zaletel said:
Sound like what people said about Apple and the mobile phone after the first Apple/Motorola iPod Phone. We have no idea what RED is working on behind the scenes.

-Michael Zaletel
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I think you are agreeing with Ben 100%, but being contrary.

Ben says nothing Red makes today can serve the quick turnaround TV market.

What they are working on in secret can not change that unless they also invent a way to sell it retroactively ... of course that same technology could also address rapid turnarounds with current Red systems. :)

I'm as bullish on Red's future as anyone can be outside of Red, but let's not ascribe new physics to them just yet.
 
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