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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Ergo...

I´d like the cable concept too. Mainly because it would be nice to be able to put a longer cable to the brain, like the SI-2k mini. I guess the huge amount of info requires a thick cable...

Mathias Erichsen
 
Jannard said:
I'd like to see what people think is a balanced "ergo" shoulder rig. Rules... has to be S35 size sensor or film camera and have a full size prime lens (Zeiss or Cooke) or a large zoom. Total weight has to be included with the pic.

Actually, I'll include a professional 2/3" camera in the rules...

I keep hearing about it but I don't see it. Lets see what you got...

BTW... please include the price of the rig while you are at it...

Jim
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I was looking at the pic of the Scarlet/Epic handheld rig, and I thought, "this looks familiar...". Dredged up a pic of the 416:
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Looks like a pretty similarly balanced rig, and the 416 is fine handheld.

Couldn't find any good pics of the HDX-900, but I've had rigs for that camera that were perfectly balanced - take your hands off and it stays there. That should be the goal of any handheld rig, I think.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
I was pushing this concept a couple of months ago. My idea was a "lego" piece that was flat across the top, same width as the other modules (maybe a shallow neck cutout, shoulder cutout on the bottom with pad, end to end length of maybe 6", internal cabling to connect the brain to the other modules, brackets and multi-pin interface(s) on the ends to match the other "lego" modules. Snap into place for shooting off the shoulder, remove for other configs. Its basically a spacer with no function other than ergonomics - I promote the concept because I like a lower COG and it would keep the rig cleaner with less cabling, rods, brackets, etc.

Side note: I have not tried to build a mock-up or anything, but ideally the lens axis would be low enough that the EVF would actually live above the lens so the whole rig would ride closer to the shooters body center.

Or maybe I'm just bonkers.

Cheers-
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I like the idea of a set of spacers of various sizes being available. Makes sense to me.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
I was pushing this concept a couple of months ago. My idea was a "lego" piece that was flat across the top, same width as the other modules (maybe a shallow neck cutout, shoulder cutout on the bottom with pad, end to end length of maybe 6", internal cabling to connect the brain to the other modules, brackets and multi-pin interface(s) on the ends to match the other "lego" modules. Snap into place for shooting off the shoulder, remove for other configs. Its basically a spacer with no function other than ergonomics - I promote the concept because I like a lower COG and it would keep the rig cleaner with less cabling, rods, brackets, etc.

Side note: I have not tried to build a mock-up or anything, but ideally the lens axis would be low enough that the EVF would actually live above the lens so the whole rig would ride closer to the shooters body center.

Or maybe I'm just bonkers.

Cheers-
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Nope. You're sane. Great idea. But where is nurse Ratchet with my meds.
 
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Thanks, Ivo Raza
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Jannard said:
I'd like to see what people think is a balanced "ergo" shoulder rig.

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Actually, I'll include a professional 2/3" camera in the rules...
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Don't have a picture, but a Sony 3AP tube camera with a 1AP Betacam (not BetaSP) recorder on the back. Heavy, but lovely balance, and that mass made it nice and steady for hand-held work.

The camera dates from the late 80s, I used it in the 90s.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
I was pushing this concept a couple of months ago. My idea was a "lego" piece that was flat across the top, same width as the other modules (maybe a shallow neck cutout, shoulder cutout on the bottom with pad, end to end length of maybe 6", internal cabling to connect the brain to the other modules, brackets and multi-pin interface(s) on the ends to match the other "lego" modules. Snap into place for shooting off the shoulder, remove for other configs. Its basically a spacer with no function other than ergonomics - I promote the concept because I like a lower COG and it would keep the rig cleaner with less cabling, rods, brackets, etc.

Side note: I have not tried to build a mock-up or anything, but ideally the lens axis would be low enough that the EVF would actually live above the lens so the whole rig would ride closer to the shooters body center.

Or maybe I'm just bonkers.

Cheers-
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Something like this would make a lot of sense. My reasoning for cabling is that the modules could be slid back or forwards depending on front weight and the balance fine tuned, but i guess cabling creates other issues.

David
 
Hey guys,

I just got back from the future, and I thought I'd share this picture I took of myself with my new DSMC,
 
Looking at the rig I'm wondering why there hasn't been an option for putting the redhandle on or close to one of the grips. The redmote is great, but for small crews it seems like direct control in the hands of the cameraman would be very helpful.
 
Austin Glass said:
Hey guys,

I just got back from the future, and I thought I'd share this picture I took of myself with my new DSMC,
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thats an excellent 'shopped picture! I thought it was real for a while! :)
 
Why not use the modularity for a two-shoulder rig?
Put the brain with lens and matte box on the right side, put all the other stuff on the left side.
The grips would be symmetrically placed, you'd have two comfortable shoulder pads (or maybe some nice thing around the neck).
Of course, the camera would be placed further towards the back compared to regular setups, so the viewfinder has to move forward accordingly.
I'd love to see what that might look like.
 
Mr Jannard said:
"If you want to hang an 18-85mm zoom on this rig, you will have to add weight (usually batteries) to the back."
I am afraid he is RIGHT... or we must begin to go to the gym right now!!:weight_lift:

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Doesn't that lens weigh like 10 pounds? Hmm, my arms are starting to feel sore just typing this.
 
See.. This image is proof that they needed an integrated means for attaching other equipment to the 18-85. :usd:

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Tim Whitcomb said:
Only SLIGHTLY more ergo form factor than my current 30LB rig. :weight_lift:
If I can balance this monstrosity (no relation to monstro sensors) with $10K in Zacuto gear, trust me, the Scarlett will be a breeze ;) Sony EX-1 and Letus 35MM Ultimate, Zeiss ZF Lens, Petroff FF, Swiftronic Batteries, Zacuto Studio Rig, Nebtek HD-SDI Monitor, RR Micro MB...

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Man, your Zacuto rods should NOT be bending that much. They shouldn't be bending at all. I have almost the exact same setup as you (LEX instead of the Ultimate), and my rig is as straight as a straight thing.

Lower your EX1, support the main weight of the Ultimate on a set of extension rods coming off the Universal Baseplate, and keep everything else where it is. Also, it looks like you're putting unnecessary flex on the Redrock mattebox - The 15mm version isn't designed to be able to sit on the rods... It's supposed to sit off the *end* of the rods.

Hope this helps,

M101.
 
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