EPIC TATTOO Pros and Cons

[Emery Wells]

then best of luck with your request for a more conventional body, Emery. I sincerely hope it works out to your advantage.

Never even asked for it. Just wanted to get a reading of the rest of the community.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Guys,

Epic Tattoo is RED controlled beta program.

As that said RED is going to choose who is appropriate for the test between the current RED1 owners (starting from #6 to #7000)

but also if some of Hollywood guys who never been R1 owners before want to try out Epic Tattoo privately or

even to use in a real production of course they will get EPIC TATTOO immediately and directly from RED without any conditions...(no rentals)...

To have some of "celebrities" as a TATTOO or beta testers it's such a normal in business like this and it is a part of advertising for a brand new product.

Later EPIC TATTOOS are going to reach a very high price also because that have almost quality like a handmade product...

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

PRO- your camera will be paid off within MONTHS

 

[David Dennis]

Shawn- premium sensor material, sounds to me, like the droid you are looking for

Alas, you can't get premium sensor material because these are beta test cameras - they have to be used to test with exactly the same hardware and software as will eventually be released.

It seems obvious to me that the Tattoo beta program will be way oversubscribed, so I don't see RED needing to add new benefits anyway. The early access and collector-grade hardware seems like sufficient incentive for most.

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[Tim Whitcomb]

Alas, you can't get premium sensor material because these are beta test cameras - they have to be used to test with exactly the same hardware and software as will eventually be released.

It seems obvious to me that the Tattoo beta program will be way oversubscribed, so I don't see RED needing to add new benefits anyway. The early access and collector-grade hardware seems like sufficient incentive for most.

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HUH? Please take more time to read these boards before posting.
Your opinion is contrary to information readily available on all these current threads from both Jim and Jarred.
Save I think you are correct in assuming Stage 1 will be filled quickly.

Thanks.

 

[Jason Diamond]

I agree with what you're saying Emery as far as "Unreducated" people not understanding the overall "transparency" of RED and how they take advantage of an Educated Professional userbase to help guide the product(s) to what the end user will want/need without wasting Dev Cycles.
That being said I think the overall benefits of having a EPIC-X TATTOO in the limited pool will outweigh the potential negatives of being in that pool. I think the negatives are fairly easily explained away to any producer worth his/her salt who are seriously interested in that cam as their capture medium of choice.
So basically I agree with you on most of your points and will equally excited when you get inked!

 

[Nye]

Does anyone feel that a Silver 'Brushed steel' camera will through up problems in terms of being highly reflective, not a good thing on set. Surely there is a good reason for the vast majority of all professional cameras film, video or stills being black or V dark grey. This could be seen as a disadvantage as soon as the 2nd option cameras are available.

 

[Ryan Damm]

Does anyone feel that a Silver 'Brushed steel' camera will through up problems in terms of being highly reflective, not a good thing on set. Surely there is a good reason for the vast majority of all professional cameras film, video or stills being black or V dark grey. This could be seen as a disadvantage as soon as the 2nd option cameras are available.

There was a thread about this on CML (not specific to the Red, but to white cameras -- some other startup had showed renders of a white camear body).

There have been lots of non-black camera bodies in the past. One example was all the Mitchell 35mm cameras used in the nuclear tests by the government (I guess black cameras would've gotten a little hot). Also, look at all the Canon pro lenses -- they're off gray to avoid thermal expansion problems.

In truth, if you hate the brushed aluminum, or are having reflection problems (brushed = diffuse reflections at least), there's always gaff tape. (I've already got a fair amount of tape on my R1.)

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Does anyone feel that a Silver 'Brushed steel' camera will through up problems in terms of being highly reflective, not a good thing on set. Surely there is a good reason for the vast majority of all professional cameras film, video or stills being black or V dark grey. This could be seen as a disadvantage as soon as the 2nd option cameras are available.

...No one seems to complain about those white cameras from Panavision.

If I were offered a TATTOO, I would gladly accept. Even if it were lime green. Actually, I really like the tumbled "bare" aluminum look. Although, I really like the color and finish on the RED RAM units. That dark grey with the textured finish is great.

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

ID like a light grey/white body for epic x

 

[Shane Betts]

I see your concern Emery but I think that, by the time this situation rolls around, that TATTOO will be paid for (and then some) and will have pride of place in a glass case in your foyer, alongside the Red One body you elected to hang on to because you couldn't bear to trade it in.

I'd actually like to see slightly different colour schemes for all the cameras in the 1,2 & 3 schemes. Aluminium for stage 1, light grey for stage 2, battleship grey or gunmetal for stage 3 then back to basic black for all the rest. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a high serial R1 envious that it doesn't have it's name etched into the side.

 

[Vladimir Eugene]

Emery,

It sounds like you're wanting the TATTOO for the same reason your being skeptical about it's long term impression.

Just like the the early RED1's, that's what everyone wanted. That's why you made 10x fold on them. The same reason, some may have thought later- wait a minute, " Let's go with a later model- just to be safe."

Same goes here- you want the TATTOO. Wow, that's what everyone want's and only a few have it, but not the later, let's consider going with a flushed out version. The early reward, without the possible later backlash. The possible tail end is so minimal compared to the early side

I'm guessing the Silver color is no mistake. In case any should go and advertise/misinterpret it as a finished product to a production company, there should be plenty who will recognize- hey- those are prototypes, a work in progress.

There's a chance changes will be made- like the X program that you and I participated in. At that point, you could probably choose to blend in with all the others. However, I suspect you're clients will still know you are an earlier model Epic-X, just like my clients know- silver or not.