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Epic shoot - short indie film

Patrick Tresch

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Hello,

I start this thread to speak about my experience shooting with Epic-M 419 during 10 days for a lowbudget short film called "O anjo anchorado" directed by Basil da Cunha from the 9th to 19th of june 2011.

First I want to thank Octamas from Zurich (Switzerland) to have rent me the equipment and given their support. Their Epic-M is a very demanded piece of equipment right now in a lot of commercials and renting it to a lowbudget film was a great human move more than a commercial one. :-)

And RED to have build this incredible camera. (I'm a bit pissed because I can't imagine how I'll be able to shoot with another camera now!)

At first I thought the Epic camera and the resulting 5k enormous dataflow wouldn't be compatible with a lowbudget indie short.
We certainly shot "a lot" for a low budget film (5TB in 10 days) but at the end of the day Terabyte are getting cheaper and faster. Shooting with the Epic implies about the same amount of hurdles as shooting with the RED ONE back in 2008. I come off this shoot with an very happy director, producer and great pictures!


I decided to shoot in 2:1 5k 25p cropped in post to 1:1.85

We used compression ratio of
1:8
1:6 for high ISO shots (without HDRX need)
1:10 for HDRX shots

The decision about the compression ratio was based on budget and not on quality of the compression.

We should elaborate a whole series of tests about the different compression ratio and their implications.
A series of factors should be tested like the resluting effects on detail in image, noise, patterns, colors... I didn't have the time to test thoses but I noticed no problems with compression 10, perhaps RED or Graeme could chime in?

I still don't know if using lower compression ration like 1:5 is more an psychological factor than an technical one...

We shot in very difficult situations like in moving cars without additionnal light on the characters and very strong sun outside. In high contrasty slum streets where sun hits white walls and the characters are in the shadows.
No light nights pushed to 3200 iso... Mixed light conditions with fluorecent and thungsten bulbs.

The picture quality is incredible, the skin tones are "accurate" and the noise is (if I can say) pleasing. Shooting at 1000+ asa even introduce some pleasing vibrance to the picture that breaks the razor sharp digital image. This noise is a structure wich is not comparable to seen digital or analog noise.


We used one lens for the whole short.
A Zeiss Superspeed 1.3 35mm MKIII. We chosed this lens for 2 reason: budget and weight/seize.
This lens does not resolve the 5K, but the softer look and the flair are interesting. Our aim is to finish in 2k for a DTP (Direct to print from Cinevator).


The whole film was shot handheld me doing the focus. So the ergonomic was very important for me.
I was first shooting on build 1.4.6 wich had the matrix focus assist, even not allways 100% accurate, it was another tool I could judge on to spot the focus.

A lot of times the Epic is placed above the shoudler pad and so pushing up the center of gravity of the camera. I dicided to put it under the shoulder pad so that the camera hangs down and conterbalance the whole with RED brics at the rear of my shoulder. I made a piece of metal that attaches under the camera which leans against my chest so that I can even put my two hand in the air and the camera stays steady on my shoulder.

The whole setting with the Camera, the RED brics, the lens, LMB-5 and soulder pad weights about 8kg.

We have the big advantage to work with a modular system, we should take advantage of it! ;-)

See below pictures.

Next post will be about troubles, limitations...

Patrick
 

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All I can say is wow... These images are stunning. Epic is fkn scary! I sure hope I get mine soon. I'm still shooting Red M :(

Thanks for the breakdown!
 
Nice images!

If you want to analyze the effect of the compression ratios, I think it's easiest to shoot something with some black and grey flat surfaces in it, output a tiff of each compression setting, and look at it in photoshop, selecting only the blue channel. There you will find a dramatic difference between the different compression ratios. This may not be evident when you look at the whole image in full RGB. It would probably mostly affect visual effects work.
 
Simply: wow. Looks amazing. Love the lighting in these shots. More, please? :}
 
This puts such a smile on my face. Just finished producing a feature on the Red1 MX and thought the images we got we're amazing, that thing when kitted out is such a beast. The last short I directed I shot with a 5D, and though the image is limited, I absolutely loved moving so fast with the smaller rig. This is like those two had a sweet romance, and the EPIC is their love child. And then you look at those beautiful images you shot and it's like that love child could play the piano just by looking at the keys. Bravo to you and the RED team, I must get my grubby little paws on one of these cameras.
 
Looks great!

As someone who will most likely be doing a lot of low budget/no budget narrative work (at least for a few years) with very little lighting this excites me very much.

Of course, controlling your light will always be desired and is an art form in itself, but at least knowing you can get a decent exposure in 95% of situations opens up a whole world of spontaneous and more urgent filmmaking.

Get the footage into post, do a killer grading and it's going to look at least good.

It may not be Roger Deakins, but at least it won't get in the way of the story.

In my opinion movies need original and daring ideas, not more technicians. The craft is good enough as it is.

Hopefully EPIC will allow the Mean Streets, Eraserheads and Clerks of tomorrow get made more easily and with more professional results.
 
Hopefully EPIC will allow the Mean Streets, Eraserheads and Clerks of tomorrow get made more easily and with more professional results.

Thanks for the compliments.

Regarding the lightning, it is true that it's just amaizing to shoot wide exterior night scene with existing light and a Kino, and still "making" an image. At the beginning of the production we didn't had the Epic as camera even if I wanted to shoot on it, but the Epic was not yet available. So we first decided to shoot it on 5D and encreased the lightning kit with butterfly, 4k HMI... to lower the contrast of the day scene. As the camera got available I cut down the list to the minimum and even worked without gaffer for the first week (production was happy).

I'm sure that the one who had to work with huge amount of light to print some image on Neg. that was rated at 200 or even 500asa have a huge opportunity over the new generation to learn how to light a scene, to observe, to think the light and to make decisions to achieve the right look.

It needs a professional with a lightning culture to make a great picture. We could elaborate about what is or isn't a great picture but for me it is the one that tells the story and it's not only about eastetics.

Pretty pictures don't tell stories. We are in the art of making pictures but they are not photography.

Don't forget, Epic is small, light and fairly easy to use but it's still a professional tool that won't be in the understanding of the "Eraserheads". ;-)


See you.

Pat
 
Hello,

I'm happy to announce that the film recieved the short film "special mention of the jury" at "La quainzaine des réalisateurs" in Cannes.

;-)

Pat
 
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