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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EPIC-S...

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paulherrin said:
my understanding is that the S is targeted towards narrative filmmaking (or commercials, television, etc) done at 24fps or as a less expensive B (or A...) camera alternative that matches perfectly with the Epic-X minus some of the extra features enabled with the additional hardware.
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Has that understanding not been affected since:

(1) S35 Scarlet was renamed as "EPIC-S"
(2) EPIC-S received HDRx
(3) HDRx immediately doubles the required frame rates to shoot a scene (according to everything I have heard, 24fps means enough horsepower to at least make 48fps)
(4) EPIC-S requires the larger "EPIC chassis"
(5) In the last official EPIC-S update leading up to this one, Jim said "You can anticipate about 1/2 the overall data throughput."

I personally don't think any of these signs point towards anything similar to what we used to know of as a $7,000 brain.

At this point, if the EPIC-S has double the frame rates as the previously expected 30fps in the S35 Scarlet as well as an experience closer to the EPIC-X, I am totally okay with it being a $14,000 brain. It's interesting that that's right at half the cost of an EPIC-X at $28,000 for the brain.

I don't know that this kind of math really works in the engineering world and I surely don't know any inside info on the EPIC-S (as many people seem to think I do), so I could be TOTALLY wrong in everything about this post, but the way I see it in my finite mind:

ORIGINALLY PROJECTED S35 Scarlet: 30FPS $7,000
PERSONAL SPECULATION OF THE EPIC-S: 60FPS $14,000
EPIC-X: 120FPS $28,000

If RED builds a 5lb EPIC-S with 5K 60FPS and 5K 30FPS in HDRx mode for anything less than $15,000, I think a few people are gonna go "Uh oh. Wha?" while many more go "Uh huh. Yeah!"

EDIT: I guess I wasn't too far off in thinking 60FPS. I only saw the post from 11:43pm after I entered this super long post. hehe
 
Thanks for the update Jim.

Looking at an EPIC-S as a 'B' Camera to supplement our EPIC-X as 'A' Camera. You think you could squeeze REDCODE 5:1 - I ink I remember that you said 5:1 was the 'standard' or best option and that above that you wouldn't see much difference than 3:1, so if we where to use EPIC-S as a B Camera, I take it 6:1 would match pretty much a 5:1 from EPIC-X?
 
haha, joseph, i have quickly just realized that my understanding was off. you're totally right, and thanks for recapping all that information, i remember it all now. i somehow just kind of blocked or forgot all the epic-s reports as i wasn't really interested in the s35 too much in the first place, nor the announced change. as you probably know, i've always kinda hung towards the scarlet 8x as right now it's hard for me to justify going farther into that without much intention to use it on more than personal projects. but that could be changing... i may just move forward with the scarlet and see where my life and work takes me over the next couple years, and if it takes off towards that direction, i'll get two cameras :) unless you want to go ahead and team up and start making some sweetness, then i'll just go ahead and crush on your camera.

EDIT: ah, and see, steve here is looking at it as a b camera. vindication! but yeah, i was still wrong :)

steve, i wouldn't worry too much about the difference between 5:1 and 6:1, i've heard that 7:1 is a place some people like to work at.
 
paulherrin said:
i may just move forward with the scarlet and see where my life and work takes me over the next couple years, and if it takes off towards that direction, i'll get two cameras :) unless you want to go ahead and team up and start making some sweetness, then i'll just go ahead and crush on your camera.
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Hehe. I've got a hundred and one ideas. I want the EPIC-M because it's just such a seductive little "thang". But I also know that I have access to M's and it'd be much cheaper to get an S. Then, I also have thoughts of getting 2 F-Scarlets and a 3D rig to have (potentially) one of the best and maybe be the first to specialize in BTS Production in 3D. :p
 
haha... do what you do man and don't settle for less. need some vfx in that 3D BTS? ;)
 
REDCODE 42 is the same as REDCODE 7.5:1. Complaints? The Social Network, Contagion, District 9, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo were all shot REDCODE 42 (7.5:1). I don't think anyone should be worried...

Jim
 
Paul,
To be honest, when I first started here at REDuser, I was all for the then Scarlet S35, now the EPIC-S. Gradually, the funds grow and we have enough for the EPIC-X with loads of accessories. My excitement for the EPIC-S is it will be bought and used by loads of independent filmmakers/ moviemakers purely for the 24/25fps in 5K. Or a cost effective B Camera. Sticking some RPP on both camera in a scene would be awesome (use a Scarlet x8 for BTS) :-)

I don't anticipate there will be much difference between 5:1 on A Camera and 6:1 on B Camera - I was just curious from Jim's prospective.

The idea of a EPIC-S is going to be great for those that don't need the higher frame rate - they can always rent a camera for a day if needed. For me, I prefer to own one X and one S :-)
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Hehe. I've got a hundred and one ideas. I want the EPIC-M because it's just such a seductive little "thang". But I also know that I have access to M's and it'd be much cheaper to get an S. Then, I also have thoughts of getting 2 F-Scarlets and a 3D rig to have (potentially) one of the best and maybe be the first to specialize in BTS Production in 3D. :p
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Mmmmm. Mention that one to Peter Jackson. BTS in 3D - great ideal Joseph!
 
Jannard said:
REDCODE 42 is the same as REDCODE 7.5:1. Complaints? The Social Network, Contagion, District 9, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo were all shot REDCODE 42 (7.5:1). I don't think anyone should be worried...

Jim
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Not complaining Jim. Was just curious. Those are great examples - I am happy with that! :-)
 
Great news.

I still wish the most basic working EPIC-S package is under 12K, tough.
 
6:1 REDCODE rocks off the chart. No worries on this...

Jim
 
Jannard said:
6:1 REDCODE rocks off the chart. No worries on this...
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If your happy with this then we should all be happy with it. If it wasn't, you would let it out with that!

Thanks for all the updates Jim - guess you really arent sleeping until EPIC-X is released!
 
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