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Epic M vs Epic X

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Eric Rodemann

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I'm not going to post this in the regular forum sections. It's not worth it just to get "subject to change" etc.

But what's the difference in Epic X and Epic M?

I saw a post in another forum recently, with what I though was not accurate information. Basically, the only difference is a HUGE price difference?

I though the prices would be relatively the same, but the availability would be better since X is coming off of a production line?

Any info on what the difference is between the two cameras?
 
From my understanding, the Epic-M is made of machined parts and hand-built. The Epic-X is cast and assembled in a manufacturing plant.
 
The price difference is precisely because Epic Ms are hand made and Epic Xs are built on a production line. They're pretty much the same camera, but one benefits from economies of scale - that's all.
 
Liam Hall said:
The price difference is precisely because Epic Ms are hand made and Epic Xs are built on a production line. They're pretty much the same camera, but one benefits from economies of scale - that's all.
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So what are we talking about in price difference? 10%, 20%, 50%?
 
Jarred Land said:
there are 2 physical differences between M and X, and they both deal with the top of the camera.
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In addition, as has been said, M is machined, X is cast. Other than that and Jarred's mysterious two physical differences, there should be nothing to separate the two.


Present Prices
*"Full" Epic-M Package - $58,000
"Light" Epic-M Package - $43,000
*Epic-X Brain - $29,500 (subtract $500 for non-existant Al mount, add $2000 for Ti mount)
Epic-M Brain - N/A for purchase (but the math works out to $39,500 right now)

New Year Prices
*"Full" Epic-M Package - $58,000
*Epic-M Brain - $39,500
*Epic-X Brain - $36,500 (subtract $500 for non-existant Al mount, add $2000 for Ti mount)

So the difference works out to $3000 in the new year, therefore the M is 9.2% more expensive than the X.
 
EPIC-M has an additional year of warranty.

Jim
 
Michael Olsen said:
In addition, as has been said, M is machined, X is cast. Other than that and Jarred's mysterious two physical differences, there should be nothing to separate the two.


Right now, epic-m is only available as a package for $58,000.
In the new year it will be available brain only for $39,500.
Until then, I don't know if it will be offered brain only or at what price.

Now, an epic-x brain will set you back $28,000.
In the new year, the price will increase to $35,000.

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So, apples to apples, both brain only, both in the new year: $39,500 for M and $35,000 for X.

That's a $4,500 difference.

Making the M 12.8% more expensive than the X.
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Wow. That's quite an incentive to order now.
 
Not positive about cameras of this order, but with some credit cards, platinum Amex in particular; will double the warrantee. So the Epic -M, might have 3 and the X, 2 years. (up to one additional year) at no cost to Red or yourself. Just confirm with your card in advance. (http://www.mymoneyblog.com/american-express-extended-warranty-review.html)

Any input or experiences other than this? Anyone usd Amex for extended warrantee for a Red?

Also. Generally machined parts like the M have greater strength, have tighter tolerances and have less fracture issues. If you can afford it, machined is almost always better. IMHO.
 
kevin holmgren said:
Not positive about cameras of this order, but with some credit cards, platinum Amex in particular; will double the warrantee. So the Epic -M, might have 3 and the X, 2 years. (up to one additional year) at no cost to Red or yourself. Just confirm with your card in advance. (http://www.mymoneyblog.com/american-express-extended-warranty-review.html)

Any input or experiences other than this? Anyone usd Amex for extended warrantee for a Red?

Also. Generally machined parts like the M have greater strength, have tighter tolerances and have less fracture issues. If you can afford it, machined is almost always better. IMHO.
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I'm not sure they accept credit cards for that amount, but I could be wrong.. They would get an almost 1800$ transaction fee from the credit card companies on 58000 maybe a little less
 
Michael Olsen said:
In the new year it will be available brain only for $39,500.
Until then, I don't know if it will be offered brain only or at what price.
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Epic M is available in a package right now for $43000.

It includes a Titanium PL, which sells for $2000, and a DSMC Side SSD module, which sells for $1500.

So, an Epic M is effectively $39,500 this red hot second.

Now, an epic-x brain will set you back $28,000.
In the new year, the price will increase to $35,000.
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Is this correct? I mean can any shmuck who never bought a Red anything before (like say ME) get the $28000 price on the Epic X this year?

I'm a light duty user and I tend to be gentle with gear, so I'd be happy with an X that's $11500 cheaper than the M.

If that isn't available to "just anyone" though, (or if I can't buy until next year) I'll probably get an M. At these price points the $4500 buys you a better build AND a better warranty ... that is not a question anymore for a system that will probably be "the camera" in my work for 4-5 years at least. With Dragon, quite possibly significantly longer.
 
I'm sorry...I need to update that based on the full information in Jim's post.

Present Prices
*"Full" Epic-M Package - $58,000
"Light" Epic-M Package - $43,000
*Epic-X Brain - $27,500
Epic-M Brain - N/A for purchase (but the math works out to $39,500 right now)

New Year Prices
*"Full" Epic-M Package - $58,000
*Epic-M Brain - $39,500
*Epic-X Brain - $34,500

So the difference works out to $5000, therefore the M is 14.49% more expensive than the X.

*These items are referenced in the "Significant Update" thread.

And yes...as far as I know, $27,500 is the Stage 4 (a.k.a. anybody off the street) price for Epic-X. Earlier stagers just get discounts off of that price.

This will all be much simpler when its all in the store!

And yes...for those looking to get an Epic-X, it seems the machined body and additional warranty comes at little additional cost, making Epic-M an attractive option.
 
Michael Brennan said:
What is the difference in weight between the two?


Mike Brennan
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At present, the M weighs very close to 4.5 lbs. The Epic-X will be very close to 4 lbs even, thanks to some new R&D. (Some?) M's will be eligible for a free upgrade to the lighter weight component.

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So, in the long run, there should be no significant difference.
 
Michael Olsen said:
New Year Prices
*"Full" Epic-M Package - $58,000
*Epic-M Brain - $39,500
*Epic-X Brain - $36,500 (subtract $500 for non-existant Al mount, add $2000 for Ti mount)

So the difference works out to $3000, therefore the M is 9.2% more expensive than the X.
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Hi Michael,

You're doing a great job with these rather confusing numbers but I think there are a couple of discrepancies.

As far as I see it, the $39,500 price for the Epic-M brain is just that: the brain. With the $2,000 Titanium mount and the $1,500 side SSD module you get the $43,000 "Light" package as you have named it.

The same holds true for the Epic-X. The brain alone will be $34,500. You don't subtract $500 for the (nonexistent) Aluminum mount as that isn't included in the base brain price. (Read the added "disclaimer" at the bottom of that "significant update" page... I don't know why they haven't fixed the numbers at the top). With the Titanium mount it is indeed $36,500, but you didn't factor in the cost of the Titanium mount in the Epic-M price when you compared the two.

Therefore, the cost differential is actually $5,000 between the Epic-M and Epic-X. (These numbers are all the "new year" prices and don't take any special stages into account).

Hope that helps!

Häakon
 
Thank Häakon, I see what you are saying; keep mounts out of it. Updated!

Sorry for all the confusion...
 
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