EPIC, DR, HDR and stuff...

[Sam Eilertsen]

Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone anywhere has the balls to insinuate that Roger Deakins, arguably the best cinematographer living, is ignorant to any aspect of image acquisition.


But anyway, there are key features of the Scarlet that I still have questions about, for Jim or anyone on the Red team:

1. The f or t stop of the 8X fixed lens, and the actual focal range (8x is pretty vague, and different numbers have been bouncing around this forum)
2. The latitude of the 2/3" Scarlet. I assume it is less than the Epic.
3. The size of the filter trays in the new Red Mattebox, and how many.
4. I feel like I saw an incomplete list at one point, but I have been unsuccessful in rediscovering anything that definitively states how many MB/s are being recorded at each Redcode setting, particularly Redcode 100.

Thanks!

They have said the lens is T2.8. I've heard f/2.4 quoted on this forum. Focal length is supposed to be 28mm-224mm (35mm equiv).

 

[H. Farberg]

They have said the lens is T2.8. I've heard f/2.4 quoted on this forum. Focal length is supposed to be 28mm-224mm (35mm equiv).

A couple of minor corrections. The lens is said to be T2.6, which Jim said is the same as f/2.4.

28mm-224mm FF35 equivalent I guess will be something like 7.5mm - 60mm in actual focal length.

 

[Jay Schweitzer]

Red at the XGames:

Awesome that you got that shot of me at X Games. Thanks Gene.
Best regards
Jay Schweitzer

 

[G Lap]

..........But anyway, there are key features of the Scarlet that I still have questions about, for Jim or anyone on the Red team:

1. The f or t stop of the 8X fixed lens, and the actual focal range (8x is pretty vague, and different numbers have been bouncing around this forum)
2. The latitude of the 2/3" Scarlet. I assume it is less than the Epic.
3. The size of the filter trays in the new Red Mattebox, and how many.
4. I feel like I saw an incomplete list at one point, but I have been unsuccessful in rediscovering anything that definitively states how many MB/s are being recorded at each Redcode setting, particularly Redcode 100.

Thanks!

The last published information showed the 2/3rds Fixed Scarlet having a 28-224 (FF35 equivalent), constant aperture, T2.6/F2.4 zoom lens.

These threads have some useful info: http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45431http
//reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22619

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Devin, I am sure nobody here is questioning Deakings art, or even dreaming about doing such a thing. This conversation has been purely technical, and I mean that in the furthest way possible from the execution of story-telling through cinematography, the creation of indelible imagery, etc. Whether he knows everything about the digital capture medium or not has very little to do with what matters most in a DP, with what has gotten him to shoot nearly every Coen project.

As someone that has been shooting at a high level through most of a very long career, he needs not be concerned with digital till he chooses to himself, or is asked to by the right person. I don't think he has been asked yet, and if he chose to learn about it on his own, then he can take his time and do it at his fancy. Just remember that we all learn in different ways, we don't just shove a standard-issue floppy down our throat and install the same exact body of knowledge. I wish! Man... The Matrix was such a great film.

Btw, REDCODE gives you exactly what you need to know. RC## tells you that the estimated file size will be ##, as an average of sorts, a guide. The files will vary depending on the amount of detail in the shot. About the dynamic range (not latitude) of 2/3" Scarlet, I would guess they don't know yet. Not until they get to dial it in, and they have been focusing on M-X and EPIC. The 2/3" sensor is a completely different design, so we should expect the numbers to be different in many ways. What we do know already is that the photosites will be smaller, which plays against it. However, anything can happen since the photosite area is only one of the many factors at play.

 

[Luke Wray]

Jim,

Is there any chance we could have a break down chart of all the new cameras and accessories with their price structure and release date? Im saving for a scarlet but It can get confusing with all thats going on with the different cameras. What you say?

And keep up the amazing work.

Neil

Jim, to pick up this previous thread.. As we get closer and closer to Epic: Any news on Module choices, battery options, SSD options, specific accessories (Handles/Bridgeplates/Mounts/Gadgets etc) - I need to start budgeting!
I appreciate you do post when you have breaking news/make giant leaps for Red-Kind, but can you shed some light on what you already know is going to be available to complement Epic, besides what is detailed in the Stage 2 Program Email?

Thanks,

Luke

 

[Curran Giddens]

Jim, to pick up this previous thread.. As we get closer and closer to Epic: Any news on Module choices, battery options, SSD options, specific accessories (Handles/Bridgeplates/Mounts/Gadgets etc) - I need to start budgeting!

Luke

Here's my suggestion: Save your money don't buy anything else until your Epic is ready and you know exactly how much it will cost to get everything you need.

At least that is what I'm doing...

 

[G Lap]

I skimmed over this thread and did a couple searches for full-frame, cropped sensor, FF35....

Question/Confirmation: Stated that Epic will have same sensor as RedMX.

Skimmed over " RED ONE M-X Sensor Upgrade Program" and I see the answer is "yes".
RedM, RedMX and Epic-X have sensors that are the exact same physical size. I know 4.5K, 5K, etc and realize the other significant improvements just to save some people from repeating themselves.

So in terms of LENSES the Epic will have a cropped sensor. No rush to get FF lenses then. That is unless you have to much cash and in that case you can just conveniently send me a PM with your banking information, LOL, (for withdraws of course).

According to the published specs, R1's sensor is smaller than the MX used in R1MX & S35 Epic (24.4x13.7mm v 30x15mm). The MX diagonal (full sensor) is approx 33.5mm so you will need a lens with a similar image circle for full coverage.

Yes, Epic S35 has a cropped sensor (approx 1.25x or APS-H in 35mm still terms, Super 35 in cinema film terms), but lens choice still needs to be carefully considered (from the DSLR world for example, Canon EF rather than EF-S and Nikon FX rather than DX, and their Zeiss or Leica equivalents) to ensure adequate coverage with minimum vignetting.

 

[Álex Montoya]

I can't wait for the Scarlet fixed.

 

[Michael Hastings]

According to the published specs, R1's sensor is smaller than the MX used in R1MX & S35 Epic (24.4x13.7mm v 30x15mm). The MX diagonal (full sensor) is approx 33.5mm so you will need a lens with a similar image circle for full coverage.

Yes, Epic S35 has a cropped sensor (approx 1.25x or APS-H in 35mm still terms, Super 35 in cinema film terms), but lens choice still needs to be carefully considered (from the DSLR world for example, Canon EF rather than EF-S and Nikon FX rather than DX, and their Zeiss or Leica equivalents) to ensure adequate coverage with minimum vignetting.

Is this correct - I didn't think it was anywhere close to aps-h? Does the 30x15 include lookaround? What is the size of the actual recorded portion?

 

[G Lap]

Is this correct - I didn't think it was anywhere close to aps-h? Does the 30x15 include lookaround? What is the size of the actual recorded portion?

Well I'm not a sensor or camera designer but this information is gleaned from published specifications. 30x15 is the physical sensor size, see these tables for different (reduced area) recording options and lens image circles. Anything 5k will have a 30mm (just under) diagonal or greater.

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=582883&postcount=83

http://web.me.com/ducloslenses/DataRef/ImgCir.html

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=591399&postcount=48

Notice in the Duclos table that, apart from some of the zooms at the wider end, nearly all of the cinema lenses listed have image circle diameters in excess of 32mm, including all the RPP's.

For comparison:

APS-H sensor is 27.9x18.6mm (3:2 aspect ratio, 33.5mm diagonal) (Canon 1D Mk IV).
APS-C (Canon) is 22.3x14.9mm (3:2 aspect ratio, 26.8mm diagonal) (Canon 7D).
APS-C (Nikon) is 23.6x15.8mm (3:2 aspect ratio, 28.4 diagonal (Nikon D300s).

So the closest match to Cinema S35 from the DSLR world is APS-H. As for different recording formats however, lens image circle v sensor diagonal is the comparison that needs to be checked. Interestingly Canon recommend full-frame EF lenses for the 1D Mk IV, rather than EF-S lenses (short back focus design notwithstanding) which were designed for APS-C.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Is this correct - I didn't think it was anywhere close to aps-h? Does the 30x15 include lookaround? What is the size of the actual recorded portion?

The MX sensor is 30x15 and there is a look around area that is larger than the largest recordable area, I can't recall the exact numbers at this moment. The largest recordable area is 5120x2700.

5120 pixels at 5.4 microns = 27.65mm wide.

So in other words, if you're recording the full 5K width, you are recording the same width as an APS-H DSLR sensor.

You don't necessarily need APS-H or FF35 lenses because the aspect ratio is rather narrow. Essentially 1.9:1 at 5K full. Many S35, if not most at medium and longer focal lengths, will cover just fine. Same with lenses made for APS-C sized sensors. But it's best to test each lens to know for sure.

 

[Erich Ocean]

Thank you!!!

Thank you!!!

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=582883&postcount=83

http://web.me.com/ducloslenses/DataRef/ImgCir.html

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=591399&postcount=48

Thank you for putting together these links!!!