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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Epic-Alexa-F3 from Hannover tests

From the Apple Prores white paper

www.arri.com/?eID=registration&file_uid=5827

Sample Bit Depth
The number of bits used to represent each Y’, CB, or CR (or R, G, or B) image sample determines the number of possible colors that can be represented at each pixel location. Sample bit depth also determines the smoothness of subtle color shading that can be represented across an image gradient, such as a sunset sky, without visible quantization or “banding” artifacts.
Traditionally, digital images have been limited to 8-bit samples. In recent years the number of professional devices and acquisition techniques supporting 10-bit and even 12-bit image samples has increased. 10-bit imagery is now often found in 4:2:2 video sources with professional digital (SDI, HD-SDI or even HDMI) outputs. 4:2:2 video sources rarely exceed 10 bits, but a growing number of 4:4:4 image sources claim 12-bit resolution, though with sensor-derived images the least significant one or two bits may have more noise than signal. 4:4:4 sources include high-end film scanners and film-like digital cameras and can include high-end computer graphics.
Apple ProRes 4444 supports image sources up to 12 bits and preserves alpha sample depths up to 16 bits. All Apple ProRes 422 codecs support up to 10-bit image sources, though the best 10-bit quality will be obtained with the higher bit rate family members, Apple ProRes 422 and Apple ProRes 422 (HQ). (Note: Like Apple ProRes 4444, all Apple ProRes 422 codecs can in fact accept image samples even greater than 10 bits, although such high bit depths are rarely found among 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 video sources.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProRes_4444

Caviat, Ive not tried this just forwarding the info
 
Also what happened to the Prores module for Epic ?

Yes I realise I want to do Raw and all that...........
 
Up to, but is it implemented in the "common" apple prores 4444 codec? I don't think it's inherent.

Pat

One thing is certain: Arri's implementation of the Prores 4x4 codec is 12 bits.

From the Alexa Manual:

"Internal recording
ALEXA can internally record Quicktime movies with Apple ProRes codecs to Sony SxS cards. The cards deliver high data rates and are very robust. ProRes can be natively edited in FinalCutPro, eliminating the need to transcode. ProRes 422 (HQ) and ProRes 4444 deliver visually lossless compressed images with a color depth of 10 bit for ProRes 422 and 12 bit for ProRes 4444."
 
I just found this on the arridigital forum. Interesting...

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Up to, but is it implemented in the "common" apple prores 4444 codec? I don't think it's inherent.

Pat

You may well be right. Im sure Arri can write 12bit if they say they can but I dont know ho its read though. I also don't see any 12bit write options on the QT system's here though. The only option is 'Millions of colours' which the help page says is 24bit ie 8 bit per colour channel or 'millions of colours plus' ie 24bit plus alpha. (A useless way of describing is anyway and very misleading) So no I don't see any 12 bit options.
 
You may well be right. Im sure Arri can write 12bit if they say they can but I dont know ho its read though. I also don't see any 12bit write options on the QT system's here though. The only option is 'Millions of colours' is 24but ie 8 bit per colour channel or 'millions of colours plus' ie 24bit plus alpha. (A useless way of describing is anyway) So no I don't see any 12 bit options.

Dave, I wouldn't make assumptions based on the QT settings panel. The option you're talking about simply intends to choose to include an alpha channel or not.

I am 100% sure the PRORES 4x4 is NOT an 8 bit codec, as per your assumption. Every single page of documentation/white paper I've ever read about PR 4x4 mentions 12 bits! Not 10bits! Not 8 bits!
 
Dave, I wouldn't make assumptions based on the QT settings panel. The option you're talking about simply intends to choose to include an alpha channel or not.

I am 100% sure the PRORES 4x4 is NOT an 8 bit codec, as per your assumption. Every single page of documentation/white paper I've ever read about PR 4x4 mentions 12 bits! Not 10bits! Not 8 bits!

I agree. Im not suggesting its 8bit at all. Im just refering to whats available by way of control which is poorly described in my view and misleading.
 
Yes there was. I also thought I heard that there was some issue w/ recording the HD-SDI stream out of Epic. I know the Red One's is only 720.
 
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