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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EOS 5DmkII users rejoice!

I've seen some good and mediocre footage from this camera. However, I think the average viewer is much more forgiving then we are and doesn't care or is even aware of these issues. With manual control this just became a much more attractive option.

Red's strength is still in its codec but there is something appealing about having a camera that is ready to shoot without the need of expensive accessories. Convenience is important and I wouldn't be surprised if the Scarlet crowd is thinking of the 2/3 ready to shoot Scarlet as yesterday's news when there's interchangeable lens options available for much less.
 
Phil Jordan said:
I borrowed one and shot it for a day hoping it would be great but all I found was FPN in the video mode, line skipping artifacts, skew, and limited grading options with 8 bit h.264. 30 fps was not good too.
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Which is why if they really want to compete directly, they will have to make some decisions internally about what they are willing to give up in their other camera markets to bring price, feature set, and wow factor in line with what Scarlet will most likely deliver. Will they be willing to give you RAW, 24P, 1080P (Minimum), low light performance and professional tactile controls with a smart codec for similar price to Scarlet? I'm not sure. Maybe.
 
I'm with Shawneous, man. Not going to go into a tirade about why, but the writing is all over the wall.

I'll take a Scarlet if it's S35, does 2K and Costs 4K for a body with a battery that I can strap my Contax Zeiss lenses to immediately. Doesn't have to have audio, doesn't have to do anything but record to CF Cards.

=T
 
Personally, I think those who need a camera now (like me) will buy the 5D mk II, because it is available now, for projects that need to happen now. Those who can wait - I envy you, because it will probably be another 12 months till i can justify the Scarlet. I think for a lot of folks it will boil down to time line (in terms of availability).
 
Word of mouth is a very powerful marketing tool. From nothing to where they are now, RED has come very far in a short time in a very competitive industry.

On the one hand, you have massive budgets and big marketing campaigns, with national commercials, etc... And, stock answers to emails, and the same crappy customer no-service (relatively speaking) that you get with most of these big companies.

On the other, you have daily and direct access to the heads of the company, products that are created as a direct result of those communications, improvements constantly being made, etc.... Overall a much more "intimate" (for lack of a better word) experience for the end user, and products created specifically for their needs and wishes. Big budget films now being shot, notable industry professionals giving positive feedback from their experiences with RED, etc, etc...

While it may not have the immediate impact, my opinion is that if they sell something worth a shit, the impact from the latter will be much more lasting, and further inroads into other more prosumer and consumer based markets will be made as a result.

You can't drop RAW on the consumer and expect immediate mass adoption anyways... Other things have to catch up as well... I think the pacing and the timing (though some would disagree with me) of the DSMC system and RED in general (keeping in mind we don't know what the final product will be) are just about perfect. Folks are being exposed to vaguely similar products that are hitting the marketplace, other technology is catching up and gradually making the workflow more accessible to the masses. RED has very low overhead compared to these other companies and is offering highly competitive products at a fraction of the cost.

If anything, I see these canon's and nikon's as a bridge for consumers who might not have otherwise thought to purchase a Scarlet or whatever.

Realistically, I just don't see the comparison. One is a great still camera. the other is a cine camera. If you want a great still camera that can shoot usable video, then the Canon might be for you. If you want a top notch Cine camera that nothing in its price range can touch when it comes to motion, and robustness of your footage, that can also shoot stills (to what level of comparison to DSLR we don't yet know), then a canon, or a d90, or a gh1 is nothing more than a "hold-me-over"...

My opinion anyways :)

Personally, I hope that that poster invites little more than a yawn...

I believe there are far more relevant hurdles to obtaining mass adoption of the DSMC systems (if that is the goal) than whatever canon or nikon has out today in terms of VDSLR's.... I'm not discounting them by any means. Competition is certainly and important and vital factor to consider. Just saying... other hurdles

later,
Jason
 
Great points, Jason. Hopefully it won't be a too little too late deal.

On the "hold-me-over" thing, well I guess every camera is just that: hold you over til the next release.

In fact, just about everything we do is to tide us over to the next point in life. Which is why it's good to focus on the now and not the later.

I suppose right NOW, Scarlet is fiction and the MKii and Gh-1 are non-fictional tools to get the job done now.

When/if Scarlet is released, then we have a different narrative.

By the way: I support people waiting for cameras to come out before they jump into the pot. Whatever makes one happy! I think those who need to shoot now and actually have something to shoot will know what time it is after Canon's release. Time to get out there and do it.
 
Phil Jordan said:
By the time Canon gets to where we can use a 5D as a real pro tool, meaning like a RED, they will have gotten us to purchase MKII, MKIII, MKIV and MKV. How much does that cost? One Scarlet FF35?
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How much will you have shot, learned, loved?
 
Jason Ramsey said:
Don't need a new camera every 3 months to do that :)

later,
jason
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Hell I haven't bought a new camera in 10 years. And it's older than I am. Just processed 3 rolls this afternoon.
 
Did anyone else note the phrase in the poster on Canon's site. It reads: A "EPIC" begins with M (referring to manual). Interesting choice of words :)

I'm picking up a 5DMKII tommorrow. I ordered a few weeks ago as I need it as a backup for a few photo shoots.

At the end of the day it's another tool as many have pointed out.
I know its has limitations - I see them in vimeo samples daily. I shoot with EX1's for video at the moment. Good cam but again limited.

Having worked with RAW photos for 5 years+ in C1 I have a very tough time accepting anything pre-processed. It's just wrong. While I have never worked with with RAW video - I can see the results - simply awesome. Once you go raw you never go back.

Anxiously waiting for Scarlet - I know its going to be big!

Cheers
Paul
 
You guys are strange sometimes. LoL

Like the GH-1 wasn't already in production before the 5D came out. Come on, now.

These aren't reactions to anything, just the way the market was set to head from the get-go as technology advanced.

If anything, Canon's announcement was to stop people from purchasing Nikons lenses.
 
:)
The story went like this:
Canon's industry moles (mostly recruited from the world famous Watanabe-clan) discovered that Nikon is expanding it's liveview with recording capabilities. That was just the moment when Canon's Chief of marketing Masamitsu Ito had to hurt his competitors badly and was forced to develop a kick ass marketing campain for the 5D MII for General Manager Fukashi Takashi in order to not loose his middle finger and the forefinger of his son Bruce Ito who studied law in California. Masamitsu screwed it up because he was too greedy. However, Canon's management team didn't find his son on time, because he was involved in a special brand name case at the moment with a digital camera manufacturer from Las Vegas. It didn't take long until Masamitsu Ito had to absorb a loss. His only son "Blues Ito" has been beaten to death by an agressive dog called Oakley. The Las Vegas Police stated that only his forefinger was left of him. Masamitsu Ito sweared outraged and by the life of his wife to distroy this american company and designed a provocative internet banner to frighten them and their customers. And if you look closely he is still wearing two forefingers on his right hand.
 
PROFESSIONAL CANON CAMCORDER WITH 5D MARKII SENSOR

A professional Canon Camcorder with 5D MarkII Sensor is announced for the end of this year. Confidential, not official...

So the race is on :

On the finish line, real availability on the market, and price, who will be the winner ???

- Scarlett ?

- Canon XXL ?


I will become a bookmaker here !


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The coolest thing about this firmware upgrade is that it appears that Canon is actually listening to it's clients.

Can't wait to get my hands on this firmware.
 
God, any mention of a Canon is bound to be frowned open on these boards. Not going to mention names but why on earth people can't give credit when credits due is beyond me.

Things like line skipping, skew, limited grading and god knows what else, are thing your average Joe soap don't give two craps about. And as for the "I've seen good and mediocre footage" comment, Isaac would you mind sharing your definition of good and mediocre footage ?. No offense but I don't think you have looked hard enough, there are a few clips that easily compare to RED ONE.

These aditions will make this a formidable tool, end of story. And lets be honest one clip of some lizard lying is not going to sell systems.
 
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