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EOS 5DmkII users rejoice!

I think RED better come with an answer to this because Canon is obviously challenging them. And it better be a real shipping product this time.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Full manual iso, shutter and aperture is pretty intense. Even with the 30p, this is huge. If 60D has 1080p, 24p and this manual and it's only <$1500, sheesh, that could take a big bite out of Scarlet sales
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Let's not forget REDCODE RAW, higher resolutions, and higher framerates. This camera will probably always use H.264, always limit recording to 1080/30p, and it applies a pretty harsh matrix prior to encoding. I agree that it may impact sales for the novices, but professionals will definitely know that paying more for the features Scarlet offers will be worth every penny.

-Paul
 
Paul Rosckes said:
Let's not forget REDCODE RAW, higher resolutions, and higher framerates. This camera will probably always use H.264, always limit recording to 1080/30p, and it applies a pretty harsh matrix prior to encoding. I agree that it may impact sales for the novices, but professionals will definitely know that paying more for the features Scarlet offers will be worth every penny.

-Paul
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I agree 100%, but Red needs to sell way more Scarlets than what the pros will buy
 
FWIW. I'm "in Red's corner" all the way, just noticing that this is getting really interesting.
 
good news for owners of that camera...

but, personally, I don't see it as "getting interesting" concerning a vs. red thing...

The similarities pretty much end at the ability to capture both stills and motion.

My 'pinion anyways.

hardly worth redrawing thee plans for Scarlet in my opinion.....

Just.... about time :)

later,
jason
 
Kholi said:
Doesn't output the right image for an Aja Ki via HDMI.

But Hudson's still on the MKii firmware "adjusting".

Honestly, it would be incredible if he turned his attentions unto that facet. Live Fulltime HDMI output.
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So live view isn't a full on video tap via hdmi... hobbled = lame.
 
I think the big thing is that Canon is now saying they are willing to sacrifice some of their own video camera market share in order to compete with RED. That is what the 5D II will be competing with and not the Scarlet because the Scarlet is not a real shipping product.

But when Scarlet is released Canon could just come out with a camera that has features equal or better than Scarlet and a camera like that with amazing low light performance that takes cheap lenses..
 
The real downsides to these DSLRs are artifacts from line skipping, lack of overcranking, and lack of RAW.
 
so this will be interesting to see how Red plays. They've already told us that the only news we have is "two steps behind". So, did they up the specs to make it really stand apart or lower the price to narrow the gap?

The thing is, this is where Canon is *today*, where will they be in 6 months, a year? What about when Nikon leapfrogs them as they do in this perpetual game? And then, when does Scarlet actually ship?
 
I really don't think anyone will have the same specs for cameras once the new Red cameras come out. It will take them long, not because of lack of resources but lack of...fill in the blank
 
The thing is, even at existing prices/specs, Scarlet wins hands down. I know this. But Scarlet needs to sell an absolute ton of units to justify even the existing price point
 
I see what you mean. I think Red has to be aggressive in marketing to educate and make people aware of there new cameras near release. The other companies use commercials with movie stars, Red so far goes another direction. To capture more buyers, at least for the Scarlets, I think they should also(with what they already do, marketing) go head on with with the other companies in their advertising campaign.
 
Matt Gottshalk said:
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Ouch.
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Someone at Canon has a sense of humour.
 
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I wonder if Jim is fuming or LOLing at this pic?
 
Joseph Ward said:
I see what you mean. I think Red has to be aggressive in marketing to educate and make people aware of there new cameras near release. The other companies use commercials with movie stars, Red so far goes another direction. To capture more buyers, at least for the Scarlets, I think they should also(with what they already do, marketing) go head on with with the other companies in their advertising campaign.
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Everyone I talk to seems to know about Scarlet, even the casual hobby filmmakers/videographers. RED has created an amazing amount of marketing through word of mouth and of REDUSER. In fact, I've spoken with local camera stores who are really hoping that RED chooses to go with resellers because they have people coming in and asking about it.

Now, certainly Canon and Nikon have fantastic reputations and a loyal fan base as well but in my opinion the ball is still in Red's court. If Scarlet delivers professional video results as well as high end digital stills and at a price point that most are used to paying in the sub 10K range, I think they are going to sell a lot of these. In fact, some of the non video people I know who own nice cameras like the HVX200 for taking home movies of their kids (because they have expendable income and can) will probably have a look at Scarlet as well. If Scarlet is in retail camera shops, they should sell a lot of these.

Time will tell what each of the manufacturers do, but my money is still on Red until I see a real attempt by the others to directly compete. If Nikon comes out with a camera that exceeds Scarlet's specs and the results are amazing I will look at it as an option, especially because I own Nikon glass. So, I'm not just seeing RED tunnel vision, although I like RED as a company a lot and I do tend to stay loyal if it makes business sense. I just think RED got a big jump start and the others will continue to play catchup for a little while.
 
For people who are looking into dslrs, I don't know about that. You will be surprised about how many people still don't know Red, or think of them out of there reach. I am sure if Red sells them everywhere then yes for everything you said but only time will tell. Believe me, I'm not doubting Red, just pointing out a fact that most regular everyday average people haven't heard of them as they do with the other brands. :)
 
Jason Ramsey said:
What's wrong with the price point?
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nothing, I'm stating that the existing price point is awesome. So awesome, that I think Jim is basing it on selling a ton of units
 
Joseph Ward said:
For people who are looking into dslrs, I don't know about that. You will be surprised about how many people still don't know Red, or think of them out of there reach. I am sure if Red sells them everywhere then yes for everything you said but only time will tell. Believe me, I'm not doubting Red, just pointing out a fact that most regular everyday average people haven't heard of them as they do with the other brands. :)
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Fair enough, you might be right.

The other thing to consider though is we don't know yet what RED's marketing approach will be. Let's face it, they have all of the production tools at their disposal to shoot some kick ass commercials if they wanted to. Just depends on how much they might want to spend in airtime. Imagine a commercial for the Scarlet during the Super Bowl. Now that would be cool. One thing we know, expect the unexpected.
 
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