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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Enter the Dragon

Sergio Perez said:
Exactly (That's one of my selfish desires since I shoot those professionally :)
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+1. I do a lot of action sports and would always welcome higher frame rates at higher resolution. I already got speedramping for Xmas, I'm very pleased with that present.
 
Bob Gundu said:
One of my biggest curiosities about the upgrade to Dragon is how it will deal with heat dissipation. I would have no problem with Red expanding the back out a little to have more airflow. In fact, they could make the camera slightly longer by an inch and just incorporate the Monitor +1 functionality since everyone is going to want one anyway. Hee hee... who knows...
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Good point. And who's to say that an updated body is not in the mix? It is very possible that along with a Dragon sensor comes other beefier upgrades required to handle the beast. An updated body that still allows for the use of all current accessories but includes an upgraded fan and better cooling is certainly within the realm of possibility. Could be a reason why it'll cost "just a little bit more."
 
Derek Morrison said:
you should have the Dragon done in time to film Mini's on the Dragon run in GA/TN! That'd be cool. A Dragon on the Dragon. :thumbup1: :lol:
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Been there, done that! Made my daughter sick, but a blast to drive either in a MINI or on a motorcycle. Craziest road in America and one of the most dangerous too.
 
Can't wait to see some high contrast imagery out of our good buddy Dragon...and to some of the other posters and Jarred's inference HDRx is dead -I sure hope it can remain an option (unless the images prove otherwise) since covering 18-20 stops is amazing, however being able to add some additional detail with that 2nd track should be the icing on the cake. Maybe a tease Jim or Jarred?
 
Jim, just out of interest, why did you call it Dragon? Anything to do with the eyewear company you used to own?
 
Jarred Land said:
The Dragon sensor actually uses less power ( i.e. heat ) than the current EPIC sensor. New tech.
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Great news, hopefully this will allow the camera to last longer on the Side Handle REDVolts :)
 
as it uses less power, can we get a silent camera then with a much better cooling system?, please please please :)

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Hello Jarred! I have a question: RED is surpassing and blowing the film industry's expectation right! How far are you guys to reach "CANON ENCLOSING" similar technology with zero noise to get our REDS be more flexible on set and also for weather purposes regarding sealant proof? Just wondering, I don't mind not getting to that point anyway but just outta curiosity...I went to church and married my Scarlet. I might get divorced and propose to Epic Dragon soon though. I guess it's true that 70pct of marriages don't last more than 3 years! LOL

Alain Maiki
 
Jarred Land said:
The Dragon sensor actually uses less power ( i.e. heat ) than the current EPIC sensor. New tech.
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Great news, better in every aspect as promised...

Hope you guys had power/heat in mind for the new ASICs too, getting rid of those noisy fans would be a dream come true (or something like a low-power mode for standard framerates, that doesn't need fans running).
 
Less power and heat with more resolution and DR! Thank you RED for being so competitive and not calling it the Epic X"R" and making us buy a new camera system.

Now hurry up and get it finalized so it will be in our hands! :)
 
You should change the color scheme of this thread to yellow and black.
 
I can't wait to shoot 5k with Dragon for a nice fps increase and still enjoy a comfortably full 4k deliverable

.RED will be the perfect world to live in. Finish so well, with so much detail and at such manageable internet speed requirements... This is getting programmed next to my Blade Runner memories.

But the full package... SO much control and flexibility with no discernable or theoretical compromise.

All at the best prices... By a mile.

Is there ANY theoretical compromise? I don't think so. RAW and 'excess' DR can only lead to achieving or beating film's curved DR. Only now you get to choose how you want to make it look, on top of everything else.
 
Matt Fleming said:
Interesting choice of words. Which of these "optimistic claims" are you referring to specifically?
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"Visually lossless compression" jumps to mind first and foremost.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
"Visually lossless compression" jumps to mind first and foremost.
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FWIW, for some time RED has said that around 2.5 or 3:1 compression is mathematically lossless, which is somewhat provable since math is specific and measurable. Meanwhile, they have also claimed, and I think many are willing to accept, that REDCode is "visually lossless" up to about 5 or 6:1. This is a bit more subjective but still seems to be a claim that holds some water.
 
Nicely said!
Bravo!!... Again!...
Happy new year to everyone!

All the best.
Antoine.

Jarred Land said:
Speaking of which.. a ton of credit needs to go to our engineers ( and their families that we stole them from).

You know Graeme, and Rob, but there is also a whole team of software and hardware and sensor gods that work tirelessly in the background, writing code, pushing buttons, inventing.. taking huge risks solving impossible problems, Listening to Jim or my crazy ideas and then watching us have temper tantrums because something isn't working.

But they always dig down and come back up completely exceeding any expectations.

Making this stuff isn't easy. It is relentless. This is 18 hours a day , holidays and weekends , don't-go-home-till-it-is-done kind of work. .. it has been that way since we began.

I'm not a religious man but God bless our engineers.. and for all of you out there still with a drink in your hand tonight raise it and give them a nod.

They deserve it.
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Terry VerHaar said:
FWIW, for some time RED has said that around 2.5 or 3:1 compression is mathematically lossless, which is somewhat provable since math is specific and measurable. Meanwhile, they have also claimed, and I think many are willing to accept, that REDCode is "visually lossless" up to about 5 or 6:1. This is a bit more subjective but still seems to be a claim that holds some water.
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I've seen that statement (http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/redcode-file-format) but it is a bit unclear what is meant by that. My understanding was that it is common for mathematically lossless video to be able to get around 1:2.5 compression on average but with great variation depending on scene content. I don't think RED is saying we should expect 3:1 REDCODE to be mathematically lossless or even if they came out with 2.5:1 I don't think we could expect that to be mathematically lossless. I imagine lossless codecs have to be designed to be mathematically lossless rather than to maintain a consistent compression ratio, since the compression ratio would depend on the scene content. It's possible RED would add a mathematically lossless mode to REDCODE, but I think it would be a different setting and would not be as consistent in its bitrate as the currently used REDCODE compression schemes.

Then again only the rarest cases would really require uncompressed/lossless, since we are using our images for visual purposes, not mathematical purposes so visually lossless may be good enough for most. But then again if you do a lot of math (VFX, grading, etc) on a shot, it may not be so visually lossless afterwards...

No one will ever know if something is mathematically lossless unless they have an uncompressed version to compare it to, and that will probably never exist so we will never be able to test whether any REDCODE is mathematically lossless :)
 
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