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[Curran Giddens]

As long as scaling is based on sampling all the pixels rather than using alternative lines, 2k is a reasonable option to avoid transcoding time.

But I'm wondering if deleting 1080p from recording option will also give rise to deleting a full spec 1080 HDSDI output from the camera that could have been used for many HD applications?
Getting HDSDI to work at 24, 25 and 30p without glitches is no mean feat!


BUT without a fully working HDSDI output the camera may not penetrate EFP market as well or as quickly and its use for live work will not be possible.
(I know a few OB companies in Europe with their eyes on RED both for live remote camera and also for the 720 120fps feature)


Also many folks are happy with a tape being delivered that they can pop into their in house existing edit suite. For instance on Thursday I was shooting HD air to air of the new A380 airbus. Client wanted the stuff straight away in a form that would initially drop into their existing workflow.. DV!


If I had a RED in a aerial gimbal I'd be recording on HD tape or even DV tape simultanously if client wanted to walk away from the shoot with something they can use themselves immediatley.

As an aside we had a backup HD recorder and DV on the job. For some jobs simultaneous dual recording would be desirable with RED especially if the HDSDI option is a non starter.


Surprisingly not every post house or production team can deal with a firewire drive with QT files be it DV HD or 2K resolution.

Over the last few days I've failed to convince a US company making a HD movie to take 5x10 second HD stock footage shots on a hard drive.
No they want D5 which is more expensive and a (slight) drop in quality!


As much as we are enamoured with RED not everyone will want to join the revolution even when we think it is good for them!



Mike Brennan

Delivering QT files on a firewire drive is actually saving a step for the post house or production team. They are most likely going to edit it on a computer anyway.... No need to capture from tape!

They could also make their own tape from those QT files themselves if they had to. The HDSDI capture cards have come way down in price, but those decks are still way too expensive. I'm glad I won't have to deal with any decks or tapes.

 

[Michael Brennan]

Delivering QT files on a firewire drive is actually saving a step for the post house or production team. They are most likely going to edit it on a computer anyway.... No need to capture from tape!

They could also make their own tape from those QT files themselves if they had to. The HDSDI capture cards have come way down in price, but those decks are still way too expensive. I'm glad I won't have to deal with any decks or tapes.

Absolutely hard drives save time and money IF the edit suite know what we are talking about. Many edit suites are run in house by production companies and corporate clients without much engineering support.
Some will want to continue to use tape for the $$$ return.

Producers are confused about HD and make crap decisons about formats and frame rates, the same will apply to RED deliverables.


There is a big assumpton that dropping hard drives into any edit will be accepted. It will take time.



Mike Brennan

 

[Evan Owen]

I've found a few references to 2k RAW scaled recently (including a couple in this thread). Is this coming to the spec?

(from this thread):

Here is the list for today:

4K REDCODE RAW @ 1-60 fps to RAW Port
4K REDCODE RAW @ 1-24 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive

2K REDCODE RAW scaled @ 1-60 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive (Under development)
2K REDCODE RAW cropped @ 1-100 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive

Does this mean 2K REDCODE RAW scaled from the full 35mm sensor area is close to becoming possible? The answer I've heard historically has been that it wasn't, even theoretically. If this is true, it's going to be huge for me. I've searched the forum and can't find any further information. Anyone from RED want to confirm this?

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Does this mean 2K REDCODE RAW scaled from the full 35mm sensor area is close to becoming possible? The answer I've heard historically has been that it wasn't, even theoretically. If this is true, it's going to be huge for me. I've searched the forum and can't find any further information. Anyone from RED want to confirm this?

It looks like it might be possible now. We haven't heard anything official just yet, but scaled RAW is now "UNDER DEVELOPMENT". So we're all sitting here hoping for the best and praying that all of Graeme's best neurons and synapses fire in unison.