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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

End of Mac Pro???

Was it ever advertised that way? Your expectations are completely illogical.
 
Double checked my facts on this ProRes stuff. It's pretty much open license for read-only. Write licenses are easily granted for stand-alone recording and processing devices. Apple does not allow general codec implementation on computer systems, in fact, they reserve the right to implement this themselves and have done so on Windows for read-only. Application-specific licenses for read and write purposes may be granted on a case by case basis. Image Systems has found a way to make it happen. I'm sure others could too, if they felt the need.

Like Jake, I disagree with L Langer's post above. Reverse engineering something does not make it OK or alleviate anyone of potential legal recourse. We've seen enough legal disputes in the tech industry over the years in regards to reverse engineering. RED already put a stop to most, if not all, of the known reverse engineering attempts for R3D files. It also helps to have the SDK out where people can implement support. I would never trust a reverse-engineered solution in a commercial post production environment. Completely ignoring any potential legal issues, there is an increased risk of incompatibilities between systems or inconsistent results between codec implementations.

jake blackstone said:
What Red Codec? Spill the beans on the Red Ray specs, if you know it, 'cause beside Red insiders, you're the only one, who may have any idea on what it is.
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Nothing has been said specifically in recent months... There was a time, way back when, that Jim and a few others spoke of a RED RGB codec... Although, I think it related more to the in-camera recording of a de-bayered image and not so much a working codec. Lots of things have transpired since then and with the relative ease of handling R3D RAW natively these days, I don't see much of a purpose, since the cameras are only recording RAW. Besides we do have a mastering codec to look forward to with RED RAY (or whatever it ultimately is called).
 
I think the RED codec was a reference Jim made when talking about gamma issues with quicktime - basically saying if Apple didn't solve the problem, RED would. Nothing more solid than that.
 
Jake Bastian said:
I think the RED codec was a reference Jim made when talking about gamma issues with quicktime - basically saying if Apple didn't solve the problem, RED would. Nothing more solid than that.
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Gamma issue already had been solved by Image systems on Windows and FilmLight with their Kompressor option on a Mac.
 
Noah Yuan-Vogel said:
I'm not sure I understand. Can you expand on that? Aren't those expensive proprietary systems?
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Yes and isn't every system, that you have to pay for is proprietary? If you pay for either of those two systems, then there is no more need to worry about the gamma shift. For some people and companies, high price does justify the means. Not every system has to be under $1000...
 
jake blackstone said:
Of coarse it is, unless it's Linux you're talking about. On Windows it's fully supported in read mode and it's up to an individual manufacturer to implement the writing, with Apple blessing of coarse:-)
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Lightworks for Linux will have ProRes licensed from Apple as part of it's premium (but inexpensive) professional feature package that will be available soon.
 
L. Langer said:
Lightworks for Linux will have ProRes licensed from Apple as part of it's premium (but inexpensive) professional feature package that will be available soon.
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I would love to see this. I like Lightworks.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I would love to see this. I like Lightworks.
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RED, XDCAM, Avid DNxHD, and AVC-Intra are all planned in the premium package. Once they get the functionality for the I/O hardware hammered out, it will be very potent for those on a budget or penny pinchers.
 
jake blackstone said:
If Apple decides to discontinue the Mac Pro series and then separates OSX from their hardware sales, users will be able to make an educated choice of hardware, OS and software. The fact of the matter- all of today's 3 main operating systems- OSX, LINUX and WIN run on the same hardware. I would love to be able to choose my own hardware. No one will ever will have to worry about inferior GPU support on a Mac or any other craziness, that Apple tends to go through periodically. Personally, I feel it will be a relief not to use Mac Pro hardware anymore...
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Agreed.
 
jake blackstone said:
Yes and isn't every system, that you have to pay for is proprietary? If you pay for either of those two systems, then there is no more need to worry about the gamma shift. For some people and companies, high price does justify the means. Not every system has to be under $1000...
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Oh, so you are saying they fixed it for their customers, which is probably <1% of people who experience the gamma problem. I'm just amazed more people don't run screaming from a workflow where you have to buy thousands of dollars of equipment just to have gamma that looks right... There are a number of other workflows and platforms that have never left such a fundamental issue unsolved for >99% of their customers for such an long period of time.
 
Been editing on a PC since 03'. Now with Adobe's Suite handling full integration with RED, I don't know why people use FCP. All my lost brethren come back to the true computers! =D
 
Noah Yuan-Vogel said:
Oh, so you are saying they fixed it for their customers, which is probably <1% of people who experience the gamma problem. I'm just amazed more people don't run screaming from a workflow where you have to buy thousands of dollars of equipment just to have gamma that looks right... There are a number of other workflows and platforms that have never left such a fundamental issue unsolved for >99% of their customers for such an long period of time.
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Sure.
And now you feel, that the 99% is entitled to "Occupy Image Systems" or " Occupy FilmLight" just because they do not give away their R&D to 100% of users?
That problem would be nonexistent for those 100% of people, if the y just choose better workflow, may be something like DPX:-)
Customers do not buy Nucoda or Baselight, just because they want QT gamma issue solved. That is just a side benefit of using such great systems. There are many and better reasons to use them:-)
 
L. Langer said:
Lightworks for Linux will have ProRes licensed from Apple as part of it's premium (but inexpensive) professional feature package that will be available soon.
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I'm not against the idea of Prores being cross platform. I would be very happy to see it implemented. It's just things tend to be announced, but delivering on those promises is another matter altogether. 2/3 Scarlet anyone?:-)
 
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