Duplicate Files ( Clips )

[Charles Bergquist]

Just wanted to see if anyone else is running into this or if it's something I'm overlooking ( something obvious ).

I've been shooting my Epic for about a month now, prior to that I had a Scarlet for a couple weeks. I ran into this with both cameras. When pulling the files off the mag through Finder, I'm getting duplicate and sometimes triple or quadruple clips. Same file name with 001 then 002 then 003. The files are exactly the same size, exactly the same image. They will be located in the same folder as the clip. It's not HDRx because those files are wrapped together, so is this a setting I have or a way I'm bringing things in that's making a full duplicate clip? Also, this doesn't happen on every clip, only on 6 - 8 clips at random on a 64GB mag. I've got a rotation of 5 mags, so I know it's not the specific SSD either.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

 

[Steve Yager]

I've noticed this too.

 

[Eric Cameron]

I'm pretty sure you are talking about multiple R3D files. A clip is ALL the R3D files within a single .rdc folder. The R3D's are the raw data, DO NOT DELETE THEM unless you want to lose your footage. The camera separates them every 4.29GB. Opening any of them in Redcine will open the same clip as they are all part of the same clip.

 

[Charles Bergquist]

Thanks for the response Eric!

 

[Rob Lohman]

Charles: what Eric said is correct. We have to split up the clip in multiple files if it gets too big because of the file system we use on the media. You should treat the RDC folder as the clip. It may contain various files (beyond the RAW R3D data) that belong to the clip, such as overriding looks in a sidecar RMD file.

 

[Jose Alejandro Acosta]

Wow, I was wondering this for months now. I thought I was somehow
waisting valuable space. Strange how each clip plays the entire folder. I get it now - thanks!

 

[Ben Roper]

Beautiful answers! I was also a wonderer!

 

[ericyoung]

I'm pretty sure you are talking about multiple R3D files. A clip is ALL the R3D files within a single .rdc folder. The R3D's are the raw data, DO NOT DELETE THEM unless you want to lose your footage. The camera separates them every 4.29GB. Opening any of them in Redcine will open the same clip as they are all part of the same clip.

All correct, except Red One/MX records in 2GB chunks.

 

[Jesse Blanchard]

I'm getting a strange behaviour which brought me to this thread. Basically, where ever a clip has been broken up into chunks, I get multiple instances in Premiere. So, when I drag a folder of clips into a timeline I see the same clip over and over.

I'm brand new to Premiere so it might be something to do with how I brought the clips in. Anyways, more an observation than anything else.

 

[Andy White]

Import via the Media browser and that'll see the spanned R3d's correctly.

 

[Bentleysuper8]

Import via the Media browser and that'll see the spanned R3d's correctly.

This is weird. If I get 10 clips in one folder it does not matter if I use one or all in Media Encoder, each clip plays the entire clip. Is there some sort of smart coding going on in these clips that keep them married no matter what you do to them? If they really were broken up every 4GB or so, how can each individual clip carry the visual data of all the clips together?

 

[Mark Britton]

Each chunk is one part of the recorded take. They are links in a chain. If you try to "play" a file chunk in the middle of the chain, software that understands RED footage automatically can follow the chain forwards or backwards to find the entire "take".

As Mr. Lohman stated, consider the "clip" to be the folder and all of its contents. It takes all the parts to make the whole...

 

[Bentleysuper8]

I'm new to Red footage and I am using Media Encoder to convert footage. It's a bit complicated to set up a batch because I have to go into each separate folder and drag each clip into encoder. It would be awesome if I could just grab all the folder at once and have Encoder recognize the media clips inside. I have 10 cards and each card has 20 to 30 sub folders containing the R3D files. Is there a faster way to batch these things?

 

[Adam Ekblad]

I'm pretty sure you are talking about multiple R3D files. A clip is ALL the R3D files within a single .rdc folder. The R3D's are the raw data, DO NOT DELETE THEM unless you want to lose your footage. The camera separates them every 4.29GB. Opening any of them in Redcine will open the same clip as they are all part of the same clip.

This explains sooooooooo much!

 

[Kittihawk]

And someone thought this was a good idea; why?

It may be a solution to a computer engineering problem but it's not a solution for a data base management system like the browser of an NLE and it makes the user experience that much more unfriendly! (sounds like it's similar issue to the FAT formatted discs that PCs need - they too have 4G limits and I think they are called FAT because they are a FAT lot of use!)

So without realising that moving the whole folder into the Adobe Premier Pro browser would cause multiple copies (of a random number) to appear when transferred to the time line - I happily sent the interviews I had for transcription - bingo! They cost three times as much because the material was duplicated! Thanks engineers - now come back to our planet!

Having learnt this (and thanks again to Red for not mentioning it in the first place as if it were no problem at all to have random copies in your project) I now painstakingly have to go through each clip to add it to the timeline. If I am cranky it is because I have no time to sleep because of these sort of weird things that are thrown into the mix by people who don't produce programmes for a living!

 

[Johnathan Guest]

Once you know that this happens it's pretty easy to just do a search in the RDM folder for "001.r3d" to see one copy of all the media that you can drag into most NLEs.

 

[Kevin Winzeler]

I'm new to Red footage and I am using Media Encoder to convert footage. It's a bit complicated to set up a batch because I have to go into each separate folder and drag each clip into encoder. It would be awesome if I could just grab all the folder at once and have Encoder recognize the media clips inside. I have 10 cards and each card has 20 to 30 sub folders containing the R3D files. Is there a faster way to batch these things?

Reviving this thread and seeing if there is an answer to this question. IS there an easy way to use Adobe Media Encoder to render only copy of the clip when dragging all the folders in. Currently it makes multiple copies of the same clip. Such a pain!

 

[Sammy Golom]

So what do you do when your want to create a proxy of your file?

So what do you do when your want to create a proxy of your file?

I have been dragging the folder into Media Encoder, and then I get multiple proxies for the same clip. I have only had my Red Dragon for a couple of weeks. I am now thinking I should just drag one of the RD# files, rather than the master folder? Or do I just need to fix a setting in Media Encoder? Does anyone know?

 

[Tom Dowler]

I have been dragging the folder into Media Encoder, and then I get multiple proxies for the same clip. I have only had my Red Dragon for a couple of weeks. I am now thinking I should just drag one of the RD# files, rather than the master folder? Or do I just need to fix a setting in Media Encoder? Does anyone know?

Just drag the _001 clip, or better still, create your proxies in RCX which, unlike Adobe products (currently) recognizes the spanned nature of the clips and so just gives you 1 clip per folder.

 

[Anthony Berenato Jr]

Just drag the _001 clip, or better still, create your proxies in RCX which, unlike Adobe products (currently) recognizes the spanned nature of the clips and so just gives you 1 clip per folder.

I agree, use RCX to make your proxies. Though, whenever I use Premiere - I search for "_001.R3D" in my card folder and only drag those files in for RAW editing (as they still link back to 002, 003, etc). You could do the same in Media Encoder if needed.