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Dual xeon workstion, 4 questions

Joel Arvidsson

Joel Arvidsson

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Im ready to order a new workstation that will be dedicated for resolve and premiere. But I have some questions.

1.
In resolve recomandation dokument, there is a
Intel Xeon E5-2620 6C/12T
2.00 GHz, TLC: 15 MB, Turbo: Yes, 7.2 GT/s, TX/RX300 S7, RX350 S7

But Im looking at the
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1650
Socket-LGA2011, 6-Core, 3.2Ghz, 12MB, 130W, TRAY/without FAN

Wich one is the better for premiere and resolve?



2.
Do you need sli to run on premiere and resolve? Or is that more for gaming?

3.
Is there any of the graphic card manufactures that make gtx 680 that make better/more quiet/stable cards?


4. Anybody know a workstation tower that fits good with dual water cooling?



Cheers!
 
I decided I better go with the supermicro computer recomended by blackmagic. But what perfomance will I get from the dual 2620? will it give me smooth 4k realtime Half-debayer premium playback without the redrocket?

Its hard to know how much you gain by stepping up to a 2640 or even 2650 in regard for playback speed.
 
Supermicro machines are great for Resolve but get ready...they're f'ing loud! I just put a hole in my office floor and moved the machine into the basement.

I have the older X5650 CPU's with 48Gb RAM, 1x Quadro 4000, 2x GTX580's, 1x Red Rocket and I get 24fps rendering/playback with 5K, 1/2 premium and about 5-7 nodes in Resolve 9.0.2 (C300 and Alexa footage fly through it at 60+fps)

My (unscientific) rule of thumb has been just to buy the best CPU's I can afford. Guys like JeffK will have more than just anecdotal info. I think you won't have a problem with Premiere without a rocket card but your Resolve renders will be quite a bit slower without it.
 
Paul J Steinberg said:
Supermicro machines are great for Resolve but get ready...they're f'ing loud! I just put a hole in my office floor and moved the machine into the basement.

I have the older X5650 CPU's with 48Gb RAM, 1x Quadro 4000, 2x GTX580's, 1x Red Rocket and I get 24fps rendering/playback with 5K, 1/2 premium and about 5-7 nodes in Resolve 9.0.2 (C300 and Alexa footage fly through it at 60+fps)

My (unscientific) rule of thumb has been just to buy the best CPU's I can afford. Guys like JeffK will have more than just anecdotal info. I think you won't have a problem with Premiere without a rocket card but your Resolve renders will be quite a bit slower without it.
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Have you tried what playback you can get with the rocket unchecked?
 
Zack Birlew said:
EVGA has a 4GB Geforce 680 card, don't know how loud it is though myself. SLI isn't necessary for Resolve, that's a feature for gaming.
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Thanks, finally i know i dont need sli. Im pretty sure that card will be perfect.
 
Paul J Steinberg said:
Supermicro machines are great for Resolve but get ready...they're f'ing loud! I just put a hole in my office floor and moved the machine into the basement.
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I exclusively use SuperMicro - they have been very stable, if a bit PCIe slot challenged in the past.

I always HATED their cases, way too loud.

I'm told that they have seen the light and they are now quieter, but ... I use an Antec case instead, and generally replace the Antec fans with SilenX fans.

There's one Antec power supply (I forget, call them) with all the power cables including the 24 pin main power - detachable. It's not cheap but it has a lot of power.

This can really save you time if/when a power supply dies.
 
What is the most important for adobe premiere working in the timeline and in resolve. More cores or more ghz? Can the xeon 2640 2.5ghz 6 cores be faster than the 2650 with 8cores 2.0ghz? In benchmarks sure the 2650 probely be faster but in real life working in the timeline?


In post #31 in the thread below, Adobe support gave this answer "It's important to have more CPU power than CPU's in the system. The support max. recommended a 8-core system, with the highest Ghz available.
4GB Ram per Core -> 24GB."
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...te-using-32-Cores/page4&highlight=core+or+ghz
 
Is intel turbo boost worh the money? Seams like you alot of times can get the processor above if you skip this feature.
 
Tom Daigon said:
Joel, as someone who recently purchased a HP Z820 (2-2687 / 64GB ram / GTX 570) I can tell you I am extremely pleased with it.
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Seams the 2670 is the hotspot for playback halfres premium debayer in resolve wich I like to accomplish. I think the 2640 or 2640 with intel turbo boost looks very interesting since it has almost the same ghz as the 2670 but 6 cores instead of 8. If ghz was more important than number of cores this would be the logic choice. But I had contact with representers from both black magic and adobe and both applications should spread the calculation load evenly to all cores for most operations. Is there anybody here with 2670 or less that can confirm playback speeds in resolve and premiere? I got info from one user 2670 plays back 24fps at half res in premium debayer, 2650 was halfres premium debayer 14fps in and halfres good realtime in another system. I feel that the 2640 was already breaking the budget for this workstation. But its better to cry one time than many afterwards. I wish I could get the 2687 but I really like that new workstation soon!

Also, I love the look of the z820, the supermicro I will hide under the desk=)

Where can you get redmag 1.8 version to put inside the workstation? Would make the supermicro look little more nice?
 
Joel Arvidsson said:
Seams the 2670 is the hotspot for playback halfres premium debayer in resolve wich I like to accomplish. I think the 2640 or 2640 with intel turbo boost looks very interesting since it has almost the same ghz as the 2670 but 6 cores instead of 8. If ghz was more important than number of cores this would be the logic choice. But I had contact with representers from both black magic and adobe and both applications should spread the calculation load evenly to all cores for most operations. Is there anybody here with 2670 or less that can confirm playback speeds in resolve and premiere? I got info from one user 2670 plays back 24fps at half res in premium debayer, 2650 was halfres premium debayer 14fps in and halfres good realtime in another system. I feel that the 2640 was already breaking the budget for this workstation. But its better to cry one time than many afterwards. I wish I could get the 2687 but I really like that new workstation soon!

Also, I love the look of the z820, the supermicro I will hide under the desk=)

Where can you get redmag 1.8 version to put inside the workstation? Would make the supermicro look little more nice?
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I can verify that the 2670 does 1/2 res premium real time. It's maxing out the system to do so, and if anything else wants the processor it slows down, but it is capable. Honestly, I'm wishing I splurged on the 2687w. I find that enough applications don't leverage all the cores properly and the extra clock speed would help.
 
Think i will regret any lower than 2670. Alan do you have the 2670 with intel turbo or not? To bad it maximizing the system. In resolve can you use any node before it slows down?
 
Tom in what quality can you playback 4k in a 4k timeline? The questions go to all xeon users. I will get the decklink 4k (im counting on it will be true 4k in a upgrade). Therefore im interested in what you need to pull it of. Im not talking of editing a multitrack sequence with alot of cc, but finish a project in 4k and then watch it smooth in 25fps 4k on a 4k television. Not sure what extrA i would gain to step upp to the 2687 from the 2670.
 
Alan Gordon said:
I can verify that the 2670 does 1/2 res premium real time. It's maxing out the system to do so, and if anything else wants the processor it slows down, but it is capable. Honestly, I'm wishing I splurged on the 2687w. I find that enough applications don't leverage all the cores properly and the extra clock speed would help.
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Alan, is this with Epic 5K FF?
 
Hrm, now that I think about it the footage may have been 4K HD. So 5KFF may slow down. More tests needed! 1/2 good is solid though. Which is what I use anyway so I don't have to even worry about performance. Then just force the debayer to full on output and play the waiting game.
 
Alan Gordon said:
I can verify that the 2670 does 1/2 res premium real time. It's maxing out the system to do so, and if anything else wants the processor it slows down, but it is capable. Honestly, I'm wishing I splurged on the 2687w. I find that enough applications don't leverage all the cores properly and the extra clock speed would help.
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How many cores? 5K?
 
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