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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DSMC2. Unified.

Brandon Habuda said:
Is it really 2 year warranty for new DSMC2 body?

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Yes.
 
Gwen Bertaut said:
Hi
Im the owner of a a Dragon Weapon 6K Mg body. I am a loyal customer, first started by buying Scarlet MX kit. Then I went on Upgrading from Scarlet Mx to Epic X, then from Epic to Dragon 6k then from Dragon to DMSC 2 weapon Dragon 6K. All these upgrades were pricy but great to me. Right now I feel a bit left over since there are now current update to Helium or Gemini. I've contacted my red bomb squad, but he doesn't know when this specific upgrade will be available.
Someone at RED can help sort this out please ? Thanks
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I am not clear on what path you are inquiring about here? PM me.
 
BrendanLeahy said:
Honestly, man, your work is really cool, especially your black and white photography. If no one else has said it to you, I will - you don't need to buy more gear to "keep up" with anyone. You have a good eye, and that's more important than having high-end gear and lenses. Make what you have work, and the right people will find you.
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Thank you so much Brendan. Really appreciate the comment and thank you for checking out my work! I just posted my website to my signature here, and I am very glad people are checking it out. I agree that gears doesn't matter as much. I've known for a while that it is not about the gears and that it is all about the DP. I've shot great stuff with 5DMKII, FS5 and FS7II. But I think great gears definitely do help if you have a good eye! Btw, all the black and white photography were shot on the 5DMKII.
 
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BrendanLeahy said:
Honestly, man, your work is really cool, especially your black and white photography. If no one else has said it to you, I will - you don't need to buy more gear to "keep up" with anyone. You have a good eye, and that's more important than having high-end gear and lenses. Make what you have work, and the right people will find you.
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As a guy who works for a camera company, I should keep my mouth shut. But I know Jarred would agree with me.

RED makes a tool. And it is what you do with that tool that makes the magic.
 
Brent@RED said:
As a guy who works for a camera company, I should keep my mouth shut. But I know Jarred would agree with me.

RED makes a tool. And it is what you do with that tool that makes the magic.
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10000% agreed! In addition, I just want to say thanks again Mr. Brent Carter and Mr. Jarred Land for the help & email!
 
Big thanks for the upgrade offers.
Ready to jump on the Scarlet-W to Gemini but after browsing through 37 pages, red.com and a google search
I cannot find a link.

An upgrade path sticky might be helpful, as I believe this will soon be a 100+ pages thread
 
On that note, in 19 minutes, my middle son turns 7 so I have to close the browser because he will be awake in 7 hours and expecting my full birthday attention at breakfast.

Yes, I have a very patient and forgiving wife.
 
I don't know.. Should I upgrade my Scarlet-W to a DSMC2 Gemini or use the funds to buy other things like a set of good lights, microphones/sound recorder, etc. that would really up my game.. The gear acquisition syndrome is strong with this upgrade path, but to be honest I feel the Scarlet-W (or the Raven) is more than capable to produce beautiful images for years to come.. And that Atlas Orion anamorphic lenses is also looking great!
Need. To. Choose. Wisely.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
This isn't close to the philosophy of before. The Magnesium was $29 500 when it came out, meaning the price for my 200 hours 6K MG is around $13 000 minus the upgrade price. I've been around since the beginning and this isn't close to reasonable compared to previous upgrade options. Just a day ago the new price for a Gemini was $24 500, meaning the upgrade price for Weapon seemed reasonable, speculating $5000 as the upgrade price. Now, Gemini is way lower.

It's just chaos really and I'm just hearing echoing marketing jargon rather than the close relationship with long time red-users. There's nothing financially positive with upgrading in the price-range for us, other than loose talk of "being part of the future". All the upgrade options since the the early days have been rather reasonable, but the math for this is just off for everyone outside the area of the plan going forward. The idea has always been "we have no idea what we're doing". That's fine when it comes to innovation, but if it means putting long term users into a tough spot, that's really not a good strategy. Recent times I've gotten quite tired of the atmosphere around Red, the core people, not only among Red but close to the company has begun acting like corporate proxies, sales people and the core philosophy has lost much of it's touch.

It's not the same anymore, as it was a couple of years ago. I don't feel any of that energy, only the business jargon trying to look the other way from an issue... People said it before, MG owners got screwed, the MG cameras got pulled from the market, the prices reduced instantly and now our cameras value is listed at $13 000 in order to upgrade.


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Lets not forget that magnesium upgrade from the epic dragon included a $5,000 credit, DSMC2 bass expander, DSMC2 top handle, side kick, redvolt XL plate, power adapter and custom case! If you think about it that’s almost 10k of free stuff making the upgrade only 5k - that was an insane upgrade deal! So to go Gemini at $7k is actually a pretty good deal..

Pretty stoked on this new direction of simplication, it has its growing pains but it’s worth it. It’s going to be so much easier to comprehend the various sensors and frame rates, producers, AC’s and myself will love this.
 
Matt Bass said:
Lets not forget that magnesium upgrade from the epic dragon included a $5,000 credit, DSMC2 bass expander, DSMC2 top handle, side kick, redvolt XL plate, power adapter and custom case! If you think about it that’s almost 10k of free stuff making the upgrade only 5k - that was an insane upgrade deal! So to go Gemini at $7k is actually a pretty good deal..

Pretty stoked on this new direction of simplication, it has its growing pains but it’s worth it. It’s going to be so much easier to comprehend the various sensors and frame rates, producers, AC’s and myself will love this.
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We couldn't trade them away, we had to spend time trying to sell them off in order to benifit anything since all the gear from before didn't support it. Most don't use redvolts but V-Locks and the V-Lock was unable to work with the Bricks and the Top handle. If you add up the man hours of work getting together a usable camera out of that deal, you still don't benifit as much. All of this is a marketing tool, it's meant to keep people on the rails. Criticising things like the current MG to Gemini upgrade price compared to the value drop of the MG is valid. Even more so with CFs. They could sell one CF and buy two new Gemini's, but the trade-in for getting a Gemini would cost them $4500. How is that even logical?
 
Jason Lee said:
I respectfully disagree. In NYU, most of the student DPs have their own camera, such as Alexa Mini and Alexa SXT Plus. In an environment where most student DPs have their own camera, not having your camera acts as a huge disadvantage.
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most of the students own alexa minis and sxt pluses? wow, wtf?
when i was a student i could barely afford a bike!
 
Audy Erel said:
I don't know.. Should I upgrade my Scarlet-W to a DSMC2 Gemini or use the funds to buy other things like a set of good lights, microphones/sound recorder, etc. that would really up my game.. The gear acquisition syndrome is strong with this upgrade path, but to be honest I feel the Scarlet-W (or the Raven) is more than capable to produce beautiful images for years to come.. And that Atlas Orion anamorphic lenses is also looking great!
Need. To. Choose. Wisely.
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In the same situation but I am going to invest in another gear, lenses etc. Would be cool to own Gemini and record 5Kws@120fps but I absolutely love my Scarlet-W and 5Kws@60fps is just fine for me... for now :)
But I hope that the upgrade window will stay open long enough for Scarlet owners :)
 
About DSCM1 and the price droping for DSMC2, for me it's better to keep my Dragon and add 5000e more to have new one Gemini.

Keep the Dragon as B cam for 5k is something I don't expect so it's better part for me of this announce yesterday :)

Thanks again !
 
I'm was very pleasantly surprised to wake up to this news. I love the Epic-W, but I have often missed the times og the Epic-M and Dragon days when I didn't have to drop the sensor siz so often to shoot some slo-mo. It also felt great back then to "know" you had the same camera as some of the "top dogs" over in Hollywood were using. Everything just got complicated with all the sensors and bodies for a while. Explaining it to producers/directors was a pain, as I hardly got my own head around all the stuff myself in the beginning.
Now everything will be more streamlined, and again I have a great upgrade path (though the sideway to Gemini is tempting for lowlight) served to me from you guys at RED.
Thank you very much.
PS I do understand (and know from experience over the years here) that some feel short changed. But it usually works out well for most of us Red users, thanks to Jarred and the team
 
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