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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dsmc..

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Stills off the 5DmkII look nice.

I think we need to take the "movie mode" of these new cameras as just the selling gimmics that they are -- ignore that feature and judge the cameras on their capabilities for still images. The 5DmkII looks like it has some really nice capabilities.

I like Canon's cameras. I like my 30D, 1DmkII, XH A1 -- I do plan on picking up a Scarlet sometime next year (probably mid to late in the year, since I need a computer that can handle the footage first... come on RED, at least a working PPC Mac build of RED Cine... please... I could buy a Scarlet sooner...).

I'm curious to see what RED comes up with here with this DSMC. EVF or some other prank like that and it will be a curiosity for my part, but give it a real optical viewfinder and interchangeable lenses (support for my Canon lenses would be nice), keep the price reasonable, and get it close enough to a real DSLR for still mode...

I guess we find out in a few months.

If anyone can do this and do it right, I suspect RED would be the company to do it.
 
Jim do you think after the dslr, you'll make another camera for the soccer mums? :P Kinda like what your've done with scarlet. I mean, why not?
 
I really think a camera is the worst investment if you buy it currently, if you don't have jobs to ammortize it in half a year. I tend to buy only stuff that lasts longer than 10 years with my small money.
 
PaulClements said:
Hi Jim, this is interesting to hear and very welcome. Will the new sensor therefore remedy the problems with the standard mysterium sensor such as skew, strobing and cutting of flashes of light between frames? How does the read-reset effect motion characteristics if any?

Do you have any idea when you will be posting any test footage illustrating the sensors ability to handle those things the original sensor has had issues with?

Thanks

Paul
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Paul,

You are absolutely right.

I would like to add that RED has pretty ambitious program for the future products.

But some more very important question could arise:

1. How RED is going to deal with the issues that Paul mentioned in this tread?

2. How RED is going to deal with a workflow issues that Finner mentioned in his thing number (2) ?

Let's say RED is daily improving in development of a brand new CMOS sensors in a different sizes, 5K, 4K, 3K-2/3 inch,

DSLR type,... etc and that's one important thing of the game.

The another important thing is that too many guys would like to join RED digital cinema revolution but all carrying a different

type of lenses (Arri PL, Panavision PL, Nikon F, Canon EOS, Canon FD, Leica-R , Leica-M, Contax, BNC-R Mount...etc...).

For example some more question in that way:

- With what type of a lens mount RED is going to enter DSMC

(another acronym for DSLR type of HD+++movie acquisition) market?

- Canon EOS? (via Birger's, Alesniak's or ET's type of mount)

- Nikon AF? (via Birger mount, ...)

- Olympus Four/Thirds? (via unknown third party mount)

- Is RED going to make their own sort of DSLR AF lenses and mount?

(would make a situation that could increase size of its developer team and also would rise overall company's costs)

- Is RED going to make even more (hardware/software) partnerships in the future with more third parties

to secure it's own place just to stay a bit longer competitive on the market (!?).

Also we should not forget that a big guys like Canon, Nikon, Sony, Leica - Panasonic, Sigma, Casio, Olympus, Samsung, etc...

would increase a development sources in the case that DSLR-DSMC market is growing.

In that case all of them would be in a pretty tough competition (like always),

but actually RED would face much more competition than ever before.

Everybody want to have a "money cow"!

Has RED enough "weapons", "munition" and money (financial sources) to join this battle?
 
NiTx said:
Jim do you think after the dslr, you'll make another camera for the soccer mums? :P Kinda like what your've done with scarlet. I mean, why not?
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Soccer moms are already getting extremely interested in DSLR, with all the hype around the D90 and billboards popping up everywhere. It's the new s**t around.

People are also increasingly pissed off by all those 12mpx and up pocket cams that still deliver crappy images.

When DSMC comes out the world will be eagerly waiting! And DSLRs will have become a lot cheaper due to high demand. Which well be good for us, maybe not as good for Jim. :sarcasm:
 
Soccer moms are so yesterday's news. If you really want to be cool, you'll want to be a hockey mom.
Sorry for the O.T.
 
Some of the comments here started me thinking..."Are my RED Ones on the verge of becoming outdated? Will the various future camera releases mean that I will no longer oun the Kings of the Hill?

After some thought I came to the conclusion that everything is fine and the world is right.

Because even with the release of Scarlet and Epic, I can upgrade my sensor and essentially put out the same quality image, sensor-wise as the Epic, and hopefully with a board adjustment, frame-speed-wise as well. And even though the Dsmc will overshadow my RED Ones in some manner or another when it is released, will that negatively affect MY niche?

Probably not because I will be able to shoot to MY standards with the upgradeable cameras I oun.

So, Fearless ******, go ahead and release as you please. I've got what I want and I have it NOW!
 
In the DSLR Killer thread, somebody has written: " The new DSMC will be cheaper than Nikon. Instead of $1200 for D90 body, DSMC body would be $500. (I believe DSMC will be a lower priced knockoff of D90.) "

is this true? The new DSMC is a cheaper version of D90, for $500?
If true, that would be wonderful. The D90 is a fantastic camera at $1300.
I would wait for the $500 DSMC.

what does DSMC mean?
PS: the D90 doesnot have a 35mm sensor.
 
BobSimon said:
In the DSLR Killer thread, somebody has written: " The new DSMC will be cheaper than Nikon. Instead of $1200 for D90 body, DSMC body would be $500. (I believe DSMC will be a lower priced knockoff of D90.) "

is this true? The new DSMC is a cheaper version of D90, for $500?
If true, that would be wonderful. The D90 is a fantastic camera at $1300.
I would wait for the $500 DSMC.

what does DSMC mean?
PS: the D90 doesnot have a 35mm sensor.
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Unless it comes from someone at RED, it's just speculation or FUD. The camera is aimed squarely at professionals (and those who can afford nice gear) so the D90 isn't even in the same weight class.
 
Christopher Grant Harvey said:
I just want to know why the sudden rush to have video on DSLR's? Why not have a seperate camera ie Scarlet to do the job properly?
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sudden rush? I've been asking for it for 5 years. For photojournalism applications this type of camera is vital and extremely beneficial. The AP is going to eat it up.

I shoot smalltime action sports videos but also shoot stills for various magazines. For the last several years I've been using a custom-made tripod mount that allows me to shoot. While this works there are several problems with it. The biggest being that you have to sacrifice one or the other so i end up doing a lot of cropping that shouldn't be needed. The amount of equipment is another factor. Most of my work is done abroad and it's becoming an ever increasing pain to travel with 2 complete rigs.
 
Jannard said:
The details of the RED DSMC (Digital Still & Motion Camera) will be announced at the end of this year.

The Monstro Mysterium sensor is the fastest read-reset CMOS known to man enjoying the same motion characteristics as a film camera.

Jim

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr134/jamesmel9/?action=view&current=DSC_0012.flv
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I spent years hauling around a Nikon and an Arri SR and a tape recorder. Up big mountains, down dangerous rivers, deserts, ice caps. I am thrilled that I will soon be able to carry one system (with a backup) and get all the goods I need. This is so exciting. But without a hint about lensing and format, Jim, you are the biggest tease in the world.

After waiting a year for my Red, I suppose I will survive another few months. Any crumbs in the meantime would be appreciated.
 
Jim, I have said this before and I will say it again:

I truly hope that the way forward does not only mean ever higher resolution (amongst other things). Already managing 4K-RAW files is stretching majority of the storage solutions (both on-line and backup) most of us have right now. There is definitely place for camera with ever larger sensors and ever higher resolution. But consider this - more then 90% of current movies worldwide are finished in 2K and no-one complains about the resolution...

What I am trying to say is that there is also a huge market for 2K delivery (currently addressed by You with Scarlet). What will be nice is to see Mysterium X and/or Monstro in S35/F35 size with "only" 3K-RAW resolution destined for pristine 2K deliveries. That particular niche between Scarlet & Red One... Camera that is not "pocket", offers interchangeable lens mounts and priced under $10K. Not only this is doable, but very much desirable...

So besides of focusing on higher resolution (which is of course OK) I (for one) would like to see Your sensor program also focused on higher DR and image quality in the lower resolutions...

Just my two pesos...

:) Peter
 
I'm going to assume that this camera will finally put an end to the 2 fields of "wedding photographer" and "wedding videographer." Brides will just hire a "wedding imagery specialists," to capture their wedding.
 
One thing I do not like about the Canon 5d II is that you pay $2600 and it only shoots 30 frames per second. Can shooting at 30 frames per second be considered high definition?
 
I'd call 30fps high-def if it is progressive-scanned rather than interlaced, and I think this is?

I commonly keep my XH A1 set to 30F mode.
 
Then by that logic you can call 480p high definition as long as it is shot at 120 frames per second. And if you have some kid whip panning the camera only 480p120 will be considered real high definition as the other high definition formats will turn into a blurry mess.
 
I’ve seen four of the movie clips from the Canon 5D Mark II, and it does seem conspicuous of the streams I have see it appears that the camera is statically locked down very steadily indeed. It appears that when the subject moves that there is a bit more blur than one would expect, but that may be a compression artifact of the web deliver mechanism. Therefore its not possible to detect any skew/jelly wobble. I am impressed by the basic look of an image that comes from the larger area of the sensor, I think the Canon clips are desperately trying to show a cinematic style shallow depth of field.

Has anybody seen any JELLY on the 5D MII yet?

I like the D-90 Jelly clip it makes everything look like the early Betty-Boop cartoons, cute!
 
I'm not impressed by the 5D video. It looks like 720p upsampled and sharpened. Not pleasing at all and kinda crunchy looking.
 
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