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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon...

I'm personally disappointed by this announcement, and I much prefer the announcement coming from Black Magic Design for example.
3 years ago you did announce 3K for 3K$ then a 9K$ Scarlet appeared.
You were speaking of Full Frame Sensor and instead of that we're "stuck" at Super 35, so no ultra wide ( I wanna use my Nikon 14-24 e.g.)
It's been 4 or 5 month you're talking about a Nikon mount with aperture control, and still nothing.

RED did influence deeply the market by being 4-5 times less expensive than any other firm stuck in their believes that a pro grade cam should cost as much as a flat.
Now the concurents are there with a same priced camera, I would expect RED to be again 4-5 times less expensive, not as pricey, and with same "proprietary" standards.

Yann
 
I too am wondering about DRAGON sensor coverage at 6k. Will the 18mm Red Pro Prime Cover it? My math (not very good I'm afraid) seems to say the 18 will vignette a bit.
Anyone worked it out for sure?
Ryan
 
31.8893

31.8893

I think that the image circle is more around slightly less than 31.8893. That’s just an educated theory for whatever it’s worth! I could be wrong? Based on; EPIC 6K (27.7 x 2 7.7) + (15.8 x 15.8) =1016.93 √1016.93 = 31.8893 or 32

Humberto Rivera
 
Humberto Rivera said:
I think that the image circle is more around slightly less than 31.8893. That’s just an educated theory for whatever it’s worth! I could be wrong? Based on; EPIC 6K (27.7 x 2 7.7) + (15.8 x 15.8) =1016.93 √1016.93 = 31.8893 or 32

Humberto Rivera
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Where did you get 27 x 15.8 from? Jim already said earlier in this thread the sensor is 30 x 15.8.
 
I think that the old sensor was a full size of 30 x 15 areas; and the new one has a 30 x 15.8 area. However the old sensor has a 5120 x 2700 area; the new one should have an Active Pixel Array of 5120 x 15.8 (or less than 15.8). There is black area that the sensor requires for whatever reason; don’t know why, it just does. The pixels are now “Five” but that should not have any effect on the actual size of the sensor. That’s my opinion for whatever it worth. "31.8893 "

Humberto Rivera
 
How long will upgrades be avalible for after the release?

As for the Scarlet, how about 2 upgrade paths?

1. Just the Sensor cropped to 4K 24/25 fps. For those that just want the higher dynamic range and light sensitivity.

2. The processor and sensor upgrade. (Heck maybe even have a "middle camera" that the Scarlet is upgradable to? The "Crimson" lol) I don't know what the processing power would be and how it would translate into the new resolutions, but for the sake of argument, a bump up in resolution and frame rate. 6K @ 12 fps, 5K @ 24fps, 4K @ 48fps, etc... etc...

PS Hats off to RED for punching the competition back hard! I am excited about the RED Dragon, and how RED is a step ahead of almost everyone.
 
Christian Jadot said:
How long will upgrades be avalible for after the release?

As for the Scarlet, how about 2 upgrade paths?

1. Just the Sensor cropped to 4K 24/25 fps. For those that just want the higher dynamic range and light sensitivity.
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Artificially cropping sensors just for marketing purposes sounds like a waste of a perfectly good sensor :)
 
Jan Reiff said:
will the dragon update program run for us european via london red UK?

i hope because of avoiding the custom issues again ...
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+1 on that.
 
Yann Kempf said:
I'm personally disappointed by this announcement, and I much prefer the announcement coming from Black Magic Design for example.
3 years ago you did announce 3K for 3K$ then a 9K$ Scarlet appeared.
You were speaking of Full Frame Sensor and instead of that we're "stuck" at Super 35, so no ultra wide ( I wanna use my Nikon 14-24 e.g.)
It's been 4 or 5 month you're talking about a Nikon mount with aperture control, and still nothing.

RED did influence deeply the market by being 4-5 times less expensive than any other firm stuck in their believes that a pro grade cam should cost as much as a flat.
Now the concurents are there with a same priced camera, I would expect RED to be again 4-5 times less expensive, not as pricey, and with same "proprietary" standards.

Yann
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Yann, RED has moved in direction they feel has the least amount of compromises.

Stuck at S35?

Nikon mount was announced today, shipping in August.

RED will adjust pricing when they need to. What camera shoots 4K and is significantly less priced than a RED?
 
Steve Sherrick said:
Yann, RED has moved in direction they feel has the least amount of compromises.

Stuck at S35?

Nikon mount was announced today, shipping in August.

RED will adjust pricing when they need to. What camera shoots 4K and is significantly less priced than a RED?
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The JVC GY-HMQ10. Although it is not nearly in the same class as RED by any means, it shoots Quad HD at a $5k price. (Please don't get me wrong it is not what I am looking for in a camera and does not shoot RAW. But you asked about 4k.)

But I understand your point. Other camera coming out can match RED at a better price at a single point. But no other camera has the total package at the price or the quality.
 
Christian Jadot said:
The JVC GY-HMQ10. Although it is not nearly in the same class as RED by any means, it shoots Quad HD at a $5k price. (Please don't get me wrong it is not what I am looking for in a camera and does not shoot RAW. But you asked about 4k.)

But I understand your point. Other camera coming out can match RED at a better price at a single point. But no other camera has the total package at the price or the quality.
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I always forget about JVC. You got me there. Yes, if you want MPEG-4, H.264 4K, that is an option. :-)
 
Mark Pugh said:
Scott's comment is accurate.
Jarred's comment remained enigmatic, but...
Many, many people chose to believe it meant rewards for not upgrading to Epic. It didn't.
Jim has stated clearly, for years, that the path to The future was to upgrade was to Epic-X.
Many people got this, and it was stated again by Jim in the last 24 hours.
Time to get over it.
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I'm not sure what you mean about "rewards for not upgrading to Epic." I don't know anyone with that mentality and it's a bit absurd to suggest. The stage program for original R1 users was fantastic. Everyone agrees (or should -- mental not to, in fact). I'm not an original R1 user. I bought into RED at the tail end of 2011 from someone else that staged. Thrilled I did. I'm repeating myself and it's annoying now, but they got a great deal, I think I got a good one. A month later, I bought an Epic.

I now own an R1, an Epic, and a mountain of RED gear. Love it all.

But maybe it's my extensive software and app development background barking at me. When a product reaches Upgrade EOL (End Of Life) status, it's typical for a vendor to announce such things so the customers can make prudent decisions about investing in hardware, transitioning/phasing hardware, addressing future needs, and all sorts of other things.

This isn't in dispute here; (1) RED has been very good to all of us customers. Particularly good to anyone that took the plunge early (Epic-M, R1). (2) No one is asking for anything free. (3) The Epic is amazing and I hope no one things their R1 can turn into an Epic or a Dragonized Epic. I know I don't. But is there upgrade life after MX? Or are we at UEOL on the R1?

If it's already been addressed (as you say in the last 24 hours), I haven't come across that thread, interview video, or wherever else it may be yet. Great if so. I wouldn't have made 3 comments in this thread about it if after each someone else hadn't come along and acted like I'm begging for a handout or ungrateful. F'sake, I'm well-in and happy. This is informational.

On my Epic side... I cannot wait for the Dragon upgrade. We are using high speed for human motion projects almost every day now and I can tell you absolutely, that 120 FPS at 5K will be put to extremely good use. Thanks all.
 
Rob, Jim has confirmed that R1 is EOL. He said the upgrade path is Epic. This was stated in the past 24 hours.

As a R1 owner, I would have been intrigued by an upgrade path to Dragon, but to be honest I was not really expecting it and Jim had indicated on a few occasions that it probably wouldn't be available for all cameras in the lineup.

What I am curious about and perhaps others are as well is how much further development will go on for R1. It's a pretty solid camera right now. I think they found it difficult, or perhaps taking up too many resources to get the new color science into R1 firmware. Other than that, I think there's only so much they'll be willing to soak into 5 year old technology. Maybe some maintenance firmware here and there, but not expecting anything major.

I'm in the camp that is at peace with what was done for early adopters. I was given the chance to upgrade my R1 in a great deal. Based on how things are structured with the business, I didn't need to do it and kept the R1 because I like the camera and want to hold onto it.

But the simple answer without going back to past comments is that R1 is not going to be upgraded to Dragon. Here is Jim's quote.

Jannard said:
The RED ONE had an upgrade path to EPIC.

Think of what options you had with any other camera company.

Jim
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not sure what you guys are talking about, but RC3 and RC3 is coming to RED ONE...
 
Jarred Land said:
not sure what you guys are talking about, but RC3 and RC3 is coming to RED ONE...
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In all fairness, this was from someone at RED who had suggested it would be difficult. Then again, you guys look "difficult" straight in the face and laugh most of the time anyway, so I'm not surprised if you are able to pull it off. Nice!

Actually, looking back on that post they said it would not be easy, but that they were looking into it and they would keep us posted. So, I probably jumped to the wrong conclusion there. You know what happens when you assume....I will take the hits like a man. :-)
 
Steve Sherrick said:
In all fairness, this was from someone at RED who had suggested it would be difficult. Then again, you guys look "difficult" straight in the face and laugh most of the time anyway, so I'm not surprised if you are able to pull it off. Nice!

Actually, looking back on that post they said it would not be easy, but that they were looking into it and they would keep us posted. So, I probably jumped to the wrong conclusion there. You know what happens when you assume....I will take the hits like a man. :-)
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nothing we do is easy... but if it was easy it wouldn't be worth doing... :)
 
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