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Dragon Upgrade Predictions for Scarlet-X

Paul

My idea was you would trade in your Scarlet X brain for a Dagon Brain for the difference, or $5+ k.

I really think RED needs to stay in the sub $10k brain market. Its a huge market.

Just my 2cents
 
What ever the upgrade is, just please give me more aspect ratios and ana mode. Please god, please.
 
Mike you have a good point.

This past Friday I worked on a commercial that used an R1 MX, it really took me back for a sec. That camera had been through the run around, it was serial 26XX so its pretty old, maybe pushing 4 years. The DP who owned it said "we always argue about selling it each year, but we pull up the gigs it brought in and every year it justifies staying with us."

Times may always seem like they're moving fast which they are but some gear manages to stick around. There's allot of buzz around 4K at the moment but it's still some time away, I think we're kinda concerned cause end of the year is around the corner, 4K products are emerging, Dragon is near! Im not gonna sweat until the new year if we get Scarlet-D announcements and NAB 2013.

NAB 2013 I could see 4K cameras with heavy compression being released or "hey look what we have in R&D" type of thing but releasing Summer 2013.

Anyway you slice it 16-Bit 4k 5k 6k is still hard as hell but companies ar catching on. Even to make a camera with a true 8K resolution sensor (not F65 bull) to debayer a true pixel per pixel 4K image is time away.

In the Commercial/TV world 4K will be viable til end of the decade is my guess. 5K and beyond has been for Cinema or SFX work and will continue to push digital imagining boundaries. So it's kinda safe to say hommies R1 MX still has another 2-3 years of viable work life?

1080p took awhile to go full on, some people I know still own 4:3 screens and VHS it blows my mind and they work in the industry!

During that shoot I came to the realization what you need in a camera

-HDRx w/no cropping
-High Resolution
-High Frame Rates in Hi-Res no major cropping
-Proxy Files

You can get 90% of the jobs done with those features.

it's safe to say Scarlet-X will be a viable camera for some time and yes they should remain to offer a sub $10k body

Any guess if there's an upgrade time period restriction? I mean if you have a R1 with Mysterium you can still contact your rep to go MX? Would same follow for Scarlet or is there a time limit from announcement?
 
Paul Ellington said:
If my math is what you took away from that then... Well, I won't retort simply state that 13200 + shipping & Tax for a similar setup.
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I'll admit - you lost me. If $2800 is the same as $5300 is the same as ??, then I am not at all sure what the point is that you are making. I only commented that an upgrade program at those price levels would be attractive. :huh:
 
Brian Boyer said:
For those who are guessing or even welcoming a $10K Dragon upgrade for Scarlet, that would be disastrous...unless, it was accompanied by a kick-ass incentive. More on that later.
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Well we know about how expensive it will be. They've already said it will cost more to upgrade than the epic. The epic is $6k. I'm also pretty sure Jarred said it would be less than a new body. So $6k - $10k. It's kind of semantics whether it's $7k or $9k. It's going to be almost the price of a new body since it's more than $6k. It's already guaranteed to be more than 50% of a new body.

As to 'extra fast' boards for future sensor upgrades... I have my doubts. Every 18 months you should be able to halve the price of the boards. If they release a sensor every 18 months I would rather they upgrade the chip every 18 months along with it than to have me paying extra today for something which is going to be obsolete and less power efficient by the time a new sensor would be released. It's the same reason I never buy a CPU faster than necessary. By the time software demands X processing the extra fast processor is usually a fraction of the cost of buying it upfront.

It's kind of why I'm not terribly convinced that upgrading the sensor even makes sense. Technology moves so fast it seems like using the latest generation of everything would make sense.
 
i finally saw Spider-Man and let me tell you I'm excited about 5K LOL

6K sounds great but the more I talk to crew members who work for major studios tell me they are asking for 4K not 5K. Over all, a 4K image for great 2K finish with the future proof for 4K content. As the 4K consumer snow ball rolls down the snowy hill we'll build enough momentum to jump for 5K. It's really heartbreaking when Red does so much work to get this tech out there and productions are scared of 5K or the market isn't there.

Maybe shoot 5K converting to 4K which they can proxy in Editing Software? People don't think it makes a difference but it does, I dunno I'm all about preserving as much information I can afford.

Spider Man was projected on a Sony 4K projector and I loved it, by far the best image on the Planet..... Epic 5K IMO

5k Scarlet for me is huge and I will use it for Res and bigger chip real estate, 6k is future proofing and being able to be more of a brother to the epic which would be an awesome B-Cam, Scarlet falls short due to aspect ratios and resolution. R1 and Scarlet go hand in hand, great combo.

MX is still a great image at 5K really gives me hope for that sensor, for the moment I'd really want a motherboard upgrade with path to Dragon sensor in the future.

lets be honest at the moment we scarlet peeps need 5K and High Speed Capture, 5K at 60fps or 72fps preferably, Scarlet could take place of Epic I'd pay under $6k for new chips depending on specs.

When Epic moves onto FF or whatever they have in the pipeline, Scarlet can go Dragon and will be cheaper than $5K? Those who want Scarlet Dragon will pay the premium that most users are concerned about. I know some have voiced out that higher Dynamic Range and Ultra Low Light Capabilities is worth the shinny penny which I don't blame them. More options I feel can satisfy everyone I hope!
 
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