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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Double Dragon....

Josh Beadle said:
Source link for that?
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Check the Dragon thread and ask Jarred here... He's stated several times 2000 was native and Dragon has half the noise of the MX sensor.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
This shot reminds me of something I've been wondering about for a while: any chance we can get Chromatic Aberration correction in REDCine?
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Any chance of getting all of LightRoom 4's color correcting tools in the next release of RCX? (wink)
 
Matt Ryan said:
Check the Dragon thread and ask Jarred here... He's stated several times 2000 was native and Dragon has half the noise of the MX sensor.
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The current sensor is native ISO320. "ISO2000 is the new 800" is the same as "1280 is the new 320" - Acceptable noise level ISO vs Native

All of us can chat until the little beauty ships. Then we will truly know
 
Don't sum the two things:
- native ISO is 2000 instead of MX's 800.
- it has less then half of the noise of the MX. (1+1/3 stop)

they means the same thing.
affirming both means that it's it's ~3 times better.

it's more important for me knowing at what ISO it has 50% of the dynamic range in the highlights and 50% in the shadows.
 
. . . a baseline S/N value of each at their respective "native" ISO's would be enlightening. I believe the 2000 number is a acceptable working ISO - not the raw native value.

Time will tell
 
Important question for future buyer of the RED EPIC...Will it be possible to buy it directly when the dragon is gonna be available or US, new buyer will have to wait for the first owner to go threw the upgrade program? Please answer to me about that?
 
If I remember correctly, new RED Dragons will be sold alongside the upgrade program. My guess may be that the Epic-M owners could have exclusivity for a short while before they are available to purchase.

Guillaume Tremblay said:
Important question for future buyer of the RED EPIC...Will it be possible to buy it directly when the dragon is gonna be available or US, new buyer will have to wait for the first owner to go threw the upgrade program? Please answer to me about that?
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Bob Gundu said:
My guess may be that the Epic-M owners could have exclusivity for a short while before they are available to purchase.
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given what I paid for an M and what it sells for now . . . that would be nice . . .
 
Jarred Land said:
BTW.... DRAGON is REDRAY compliant :)

This is cool as shit sitting here watching Dragon footage @ 4K on a REDRAY hooked up to a 84" 4K screen playing back at 9 Mbit/sec...

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ME WANT NOW.
 
Nemo - Bad news for us!
Dragon- Great news for us!
 
Rosario Balistreri said:
Don't sum the two things:
- native ISO is 2000 instead of MX's 800.
- it has less then half of the noise of the MX. (1+1/3 stop)

they means the same thing.
affirming both means that it's it's ~3 times better.

it's more important for me knowing at what ISO it has 50% of the dynamic range in the highlights and 50% in the shadows.
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Good job Rosario. This is the best answer.

It really is subjective... Some people will shoot low ASA and rate the sensor at that. Some will rate it higher. Some people jump up and down that the MX is natve 320. some people 640. Some 800. The old standard of splits doesn't really apply anymore. On MX, when you rate the sensor lower you get less noise but also reduce the dynamic range. Dragon does a much better job at this.. shooting lower ASA.

The monochrome is a good example. Its stupidly clean at 800. So most people rate it higher.. most people to 2000. But there are some very high profile very technical people shooting their Monochrome cameras every week and wont turn it below 3200 and swear that is where the sweet spot is.. even if you can see noise.
 
Jarred Land said:
100% certain it will not be cheaper. The next rocket will cost us almost 2x as much to make.

Someone forgot to tell the FPGA community that things are supposed to be getting cheaper :)
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the way the cookie crumbles I suppose, double the price is a lot, but in essence if it can out perform 2 rockets would probably be worth it. having that kind of performance is equal to just buying 2 rockets brand new, maybe a little cheaper, maybe more powerful. since it's still on the drawing boards, I really hope you guys can keep it single width, and hopefully hdsdi built right on the board this time around! the dvi thing I never thought was very necessary from the get go. having hd sdi right on it at this point would be killer.

maybe even 12 bit so we can see all that great dynamic range of dragon :)
 
Would it be safe to say that the "TURBO ROCKET" will be able to play 6kFF Full rez and in real, silky smooth, time?

Tom.Wong said:
the way the cookie crumbles I suppose, double the price is a lot, but in essence if it can out perform 2 rockets would probably be worth it. having that kind of performance is equal to just buying 2 rockets brand new, maybe a little cheaper, maybe more powerful. since it's still on the drawing boards, I really hope you guys can keep it single width, and hopefully hdsdi built right on the board this time around! the dvi thing I never thought was very necessary from the get go. having hd sdi right on it at this point would be killer.

maybe even 12 bit so we can see all that great dynamic range of dragon :)
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Jarred Land said:
long in the tooth? wow.
I dont think some people really understand / appreciate just what the Rocket does.. and how much it really should cost..
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Not dissing what the Rocket does, just pointing out how fast things are moving these days.

In terms of cost, I had imagined that ASICs would be taking over some of the heavy lifting so the FPGAs required could be less sophisticated and therefore a bit cheaper. If the Turbo Rocket is based on FPGAs then I can't even imagine what a beast that will be in terms of cost, design complexity, power consumption, heat, etc.

IAC, at this point I know RED has brought in some serious engineering talent and understands what we need. Looking forward to enjoying the fruits of that labor. I just want to be able to scrub/review takes at 4K for QC without needing multiple accelerator cards, plus tower, power consumption, heat dissipation, ....

Cheers - #19
 
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