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Don't Sell Your Film Cameras Yet.

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I just saw the incredible New Kodak Vision 3 stock, Demo'ed on a 30' screen.
WOW! Finer grain, at least 3 stops more latitude!
500 speed. Pushed one stop (1000 ISO) was barely noticable.
Bravo Kodak! S16 now looks like 35.!
 
Peter Sensor said:
I just saw the incredible New Kodak Vision 3 stock, Demo'ed on a 30' screen.
WOW! Finer grain, at least 3 stops more latitude!
500 speed. Pushed one stop (1000 ISO) was barely noticable.
Bravo Kodak! S16 now looks like 35.!
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Hi,

Do you know if by any chance this is related to the 'Kodak Ambush test'

Stephen
 
Peter Sensor said:
I just saw the incredible New Kodak Vision 3 stock, Demo'ed on a 30' screen.
WOW! Finer grain, at least 3 stops more latitude!
500 speed. Pushed one stop (1000 ISO) was barely noticable.
Bravo Kodak! S16 now looks like 35.!
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I'm sure its great stock. Lemme know when it downloads direct to my Mac Book Pro. :wink:

(a fun comment not meant to fuel a Film vs. Digital flame war.)
 
Well, Kodak has had to do something. I read in The Hollywood Reporter about how they're sticking to their guns on film instead of coming up with some sort of digital cinema solution. If this new stock can do better than the last, more power to them. However, whether the industry responds to their new stock when everyone is falling in love with digital workflows has yet to be determined. Heck, Randy Roberts, the supervising producer for Law & Order:SVU was speaking in my class yesterday about how he saw a demo of the RED and believes that everyone will want to transfer over within the next couple of years. He said he was sure Law & Order:SVU would most likely switch over once more RED cameras are out.
 
Jack_Felis said:
Well, Kodak has had to do something. I read in The Hollywood Reporter about how they're sticking to their guns on film instead of coming up with some sort of digital cinema solution. If this new stock can do better than the last, more power to them. However, whether the industry responds to their new stock when everyone is falling in love with digital workflows has yet to be determined. Heck, Randy Roberts, the supervising producer for Law & Order:SVU was speaking in my class yesterday about how he saw a demo of the RED and believes that everyone will want to transfer over within the next couple of years. He said he was sure Law & Order:SVU would most likely switch over once more RED cameras are out.
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I know a dp who worked for Kodak... I asked him once and he said yes they've made their own digital cinema camera... just not going to release it... in other words they're keeping up... just not selling them....
 
:angry03: i think nobody will sell them befor testing their red
here is in my company we have
2 ARRI's 35-BL3 AND ONE Arriflex 35-3 ,3 PANAVISION
ThEY ARE ALL GREAT .and even when we will receive our Red's we are not planing to let them go at lease for 1 year plan.
 
Kodak is already in the digital camera business, just not for movies. Remember this is the company that invented the Bayer filter being used in cameras like the RED ONE. Why go from being the Number One player in film technology to Number Five or Six in digital camera technology? They'll switchover when no one is buying film anymore, but until then, there's no reason, not when they sell four-times the amount of movie film compared to their nearest competitor (Fuji.) Kodak is never going to be a big digital camera-making company for movies. There are already too many players in that field already.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
Kodak is already in the digital camera business, just not for movies. Remember this is the company that invented the Bayer filter being used in cameras like the RED ONE. Why go from being the Number One player in film technology to Number Five or Six in digital camera technology? They'll switchover when no one is buying film anymore, but until then, there's no reason, not when they sell four-times the amount of movie film compared to their nearest competitor (Fuji.) Kodak is never going to be a big digital camera-making company for movies. There are already too many players in that field already.
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In a more detailed post... basically you kinda of wrapped up what my friend said... and what I didn't write.. thanks David...
 
Stephen,
I don't know about the "Ambush Test". ?
This was a Kodak screening in Chicago. We saw 35 projected - a print from camera original Neg. Also footage transfered by LazerPacific to HDCAM SR.
FletcherChicago was also there to tout their 3- perf commitment.
Also, Filmworkers Club and Astro labs, both of Chicago, were also talking 3-perf.
 
Casey Green said:
I'm sure its great stock. Lemme know when it downloads direct to my Mac Book Pro. :wink:

(a fun comment not meant to fuel a Film vs. Digital flame war.)
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Casey, You can take it to any format you want. I know this was a fun comment
and not fuel for a debate. I don't think there should be Vs. anything.
These are all tools for the artist. To think that I might shoot everything on a Red camera or an Arri is crazy. The choices of formats these days is a kick -
I love it, It's what fits the project ? Just in the last 6 weeks doing commercials,
web site footage, projection,etc. I've shot - 35, S16, HDV w/P+S, 2/3"HD w/P+S, Super 8 film - reversal & Neg.- and the one that was projected - -
Super 8 - go figure. I welcome Red and all that it has to offer, the more tools the better.:bleh:
 
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Peter is very right. It's a big market place. There is a lot of blank canvas out there. To insist that we use only one type of paint brush is myopic.

-eric-
 
Your right about that. If someone has panavision cameras and they are not rented then they are stolen.
 
In thinking about the future of Kodak, I've wondered why they don't make revolutionize the telecine process.

I've wanted to shoot film on numerous occasions, but the high cost always pushed me back. If they would instead make telecine very cheap (i.e. you buy a $2500 device that'll telecine all night long) then they'd start making film competitive on the lower end.

The reason for such a move would be that the "low end" of today (students, indies, up and comers ,aka the 'wannabees') are tomorrow's "high end" clients.

Now I already know they'll cut deals for students of film schools, but they need to fundamentally alter the process in order to really compete with digital. Heck, they are doing it with still cameras. You drop off your roll of 35mm still and you can get a CD back of HQ scans!
 
I agree with David on this one. Kodak really is the leader in terms of film stock and it would take a digital cinema camera with a feature set better than anything currently available and at a price point in tune with the marketplace for them to jump to number 1 in digital cinema. Maybe they are holding back waiting for the proper time to do that but right now they are still at the top of their game in film. I hope they stay around for a while. I'm one of those people that still enjoys film. Like it has been mentioned, Red adds another palette.

Steve
 
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