Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

[Dane Henry]

Actually, I did pay. I bought almost every accessory I could from Red in good faith. They were listed as Scarlet compatible, not Scarlet-X. I will be out several hundred dollars in restocking fees. I bought media, power, a side handle, etc. In good faith. Not to mention a monitor and over grand's worth of lenses from third parties. Not to mention endless hours over the years drooling over vaporware. I can't get my time back, but I may be able to recoup some of my money. Maybe. Do you now understand my bait-and-switch sentiment?

However, I have spoken my piece. I have nothing else to add to my argument.

Sounds like you should get the scarlet X brain. You've already got everything to make it work.

Not sure what you mean by lenses, RED never made it clear what type of lenses would actually work with the 2/3rd camera, miniRED mount....how many lenses have that?

 

[Kyle Presley]

Kyle - given that a lot of accessories are backordered and might remain so for awhile, you might have better luck selling them here on REDuser for quick delivery. Just a thought.

Yeah, hopefully I can. I think I have pissed a lot of people off on here. That is sad, and it wasn't my intention. Sorry for that, really.

 

[Kyle Presley]

Sounds like you should get the scarlet X brain. You've already got everything to make it work.

Not sure what you mean by lenses, RED never made it clear what type of lenses would actually work with the 2/3rd camera, miniRED mount....how many lenses have that?

C mount. I took them at their word. Jarred said C mount, I bought c mount.

 

[Dane Henry]

Kyle - given that a lot of accessories are backordered and might remain so for awhile, you might have better luck selling them here on REDuser for quick delivery. Just a thought.

Good call Terry.

Kyle, you want to sell that side handle? PM me. you wont have to pay restocking fees with me!

 

[Terry VerHaar]

Yeah, hopefully I can. I think I have pissed a lot of people off on here. That is sad, and it wasn't my intention. Sorry for that, really.

Maybe, but people often forgive you quickly when you've got something they want! :laugh:

 

[Zeb B]

Actually, I did pay. I bought almost every accessory I could from Red in good faith. I will be out several hundred dollars in restocking fees. I bought media, power, a side handle, etc. In good faith. Not to mention a monitor and over grand's worth of lenses from third parties. Not to mention endless hours over the years drooling over vaporware. I can't get my time back, but I may be able to recoup some of my money. Maybe.

However, I have spoken my piece. I have nothing else to add to my argument.

With that, can we close this thread with a cautionary tale of: Don't buy, plan or committ to anything based on a RED product rumor, prediction, statement or announcement. When the FedEx gent knocks upon your door, that might be a good time to start planning how to use and accessorize your new spiffy RED products. I am an example of this same mistake - anyone want to but a 12TB Thunderbolt RAID I purchased in anticipation of Apple releasing the next generation Tower this fall? Oops. Looks kinda funny hanging off a Mac Book

 

[Matt Bowden]

+1 I agree. I don't there is much left of benefit in this thread.

 

[Kyle Presley]

Sounds like you should get the scarlet X brain. You've already got everything to make it work.

Not sure what you mean by lenses, RED never made it clear what type of lenses would actually work with the 2/3rd camera, miniRED mount....how many lenses have that?

If only, my friend. I spent hours crunching the numbers before I posted this thread. I was still short, despite a loan for Scarlet and savings. I came up just short. Scarlet-x is a GREAT camera. No doubt. It's just more than I can afford and not what I want. 4K is about twice the data as 3K, so it would require a lot more computing power. I couldn't afford that either.

 

[Häakon]

When I think about it, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's Canon (or Panasonic) who comes out with a fixed 2/3" (or 4/3") camera similar to the "old" Scarlet. One would think there's a void now to be filled, and sales would be quite high. Even if it's not 4k, or 3k for that matter.

Well, Canon does make a pretty nice 1/3" fixed lens HD camera in the XF305. It's low bitrate, of course, and doesn't shoot above 30p in 1080p, but then neither does the new C300. Oh, and the price? $7,000. How much do you think a 2/3" version would cost?

 

[Kevin Marshall]

Maybe I'm crazy but I have no intent of spending $20k on my scarlet package.

$14k + $900 for an extra 64GB card.

Where is the next $5k coming from?

I don't know what Drew had in mind when writing, but I came to similar figures when pricing out a system. I guess it all depends what you already own, what kind of productions you're looking to do, and how much you're wiling to rent/do without.

The biggies - media and power.

Two 64GB cards will get you 10-15 minutes each of recording (depending on compression) at 4K 2:1 24p - so 20-30 minutes total. Depending on how fast you can offload those cards, that might not be enough to keep the camera fed. I personally was looking more at a 64GB 4-pack as a minimum, at $3K. I guess if you're able to keep pumping cards through transfer, or aren't shooting as much footage, you might be fine with 2 (or shooting higher compression/lower resolution).

A single redvolt lasts maybe 30 minutes in an Epic. They're supposed to last longer in a Scarlet, but we don't know just how much yet. They also take 2 hours to charge in the travel charger. Again, for me (and many), two batteries and one charger is not enough to keep up with a normal production day. Granted you can power down more often because of the faster boot-up, but having not done an Epic shoot yet (still working mostly R1), I don't have a good idea just how much it helps. If you're staying with the RedVolts, I feel like you need at least another two batteries and an additional charger ($515) - maybe more. Of course the forthcoming quad charger is bounds better, but no word on pricing yet.

Alternatively, you could forgo RedVolts and go the brick route - but that opens up another can of worms that I won't go into.

Just those two add about $3800 to the price (in my config). Then comes any mounting stuff you want/need - baseplate/rods, top handle, etc. Those individual couple-hundred-dollar pieces add up quick.

This is all also assuming you already have/don't need a follow focus, mattebox, filters, lenses, etc.

So again, depends on what you need, and what you already have/can do without.

 

[Kyle Presley]

If nothing else, this thread can serve as a cautionary tale. As Haakon has suggested, it is best to adjust the way we must process Red's announcements. Take it with a pinch of salt.

 

[Tom Lowe]

If you're done, I'll shut this thread down.