Does Crop Become Part Of Metadata?

[Harry Clark]

Hi there. I'll conduct an experiment to verify but I'll post the question here in case a member of the Red Team can answer.
If I make a change in the look of a clip in Redcine-X, it modifies the RMD file to reflect my new settings. Got it.
If I use the framing tool to crop in (to a medium shot from a wide shot for instance) does that framing choice also "stick"? If I make such a change, but want my original framing to travel with the r3d, do I need to select the clip and click "meta" on the framing tool to ensure this?
I suspect not; but it came up in conversation tonight. I plan on testing tomorrow but if anyone has a definitive answer please share.
Cheers,
Harry

 

[David Ibbitson]

Hi Harry,

If you adjust any framing settings it will stick in the RMD if you either you have autosave RMD enabled or manually save the RMD.

By original framing do you mean camera User Action/Title or Frame Guides? Those always come from the R3D and can't be lost. If it is present in the R3D it will show up as a framing option in the combo box along with Custom and Center. Frame Guides are also associated with the "meta" button on the framing tool.

The only other way to save a set of framing settings is via the Framing Presets mechanism. However these are saved globally for the application, not individually in each R3Ds associated RMD file.

Thanks,
David

 

[Marc Wielage]

My opinion is that you're better off reframing in editorial, in whatever editing program you're using (like Avid or Premiere). If you color correct and deliver in the same resolution as your editing, then the positional changes should "theoretically" carry over as part of the XML or AAF.

I don't think making the changes in RedCine-X Pro will help beyond giving the editor an idea of what you expect the framing to be later on in post. There's quite a few shows making radical changes to framing in post, up to and including frame-steadying and even dynamic moves; Fincher's crew has been very big on this technique Gone Girl and House of Cards and I think it's a pretty established trend nowadays. I have yet to work on a feature in the last five years where we haven't reframed at least 100 shots. In some cases, it was hundreds and hundreds of shots.

Talk to your post crew and do some tests as to what information can be passed down to post, particularly in terms of LUTs and framing. Even providing dailies that give them the ballpark idea will help immensely for the final delivery. And shoot framing and color charts at the beginning of each lighting setup if possible.

 

[Harry Clark]

Hi David,
I will un-check autosave if enabled and test.
Hi Marc,
It was just a "for example". I don't really ever get involved in post other than passing along LUTs, graded stills, and going to the color correct session. If I'm invited.
Cheers,
H.

 

[Harry Clark]

Sorry, I got busy and forgot to follow up. I made some framing changes and re-opened the r3ds and in fact the framing was saved to metadata. I un-checked autosave and the behavior went away, as David predicted.
Cheers,
Harry