diff between the BTLH1760 & BTLH1700 Pansonic monitors

[Eli Jarra]

Anybody using the 1760? Just released this year and the successor to the 1700. Also carries a 2k $$$ price difference. Since a lot of people use the 1700 for studio/set monitoring and seem satisfied with it, I was wondering if people found the price differential justified?
Thanks!

 

[Matthew Rogers]

I believe one of the main changes is that it supports 120Hz refresh which is good for 60P footage (shooting varicam for sports, etc.) Of course, there are probably also image improvements.

Matthew

 

[Mitch Gross]

There is the faster refresh, which I must admit made not too much difference to my eyes but others are quite impressed by.

Also:

-Better off-axis viewing,
-Built in audio board (instead of an option)
-Waveform & vectorscope (instead of just waveform)
-1080 zoom mode (it's a 720 monitor so it allows a zoom in for pixel-to-pixel on 1080 signals) -- good for focus checks.

There might be something else, but that's what I recall off the top of my head. Panasonic dropped the price on the 1700, which is still a great monitor. They are both excellent values.

 

[David Didato]

I checked out both in person with Mitch at Abel Cine (thanks Mitch) and went with the 1700. Partly because we're planning to invest soon in much higher end monitors, but also because for the purpose of having a good client monitor, better for checking focus than the RED lcd, etc. - the 1700 seemed just as good to my eye. Your eyes' mileage may vary, so I would try to get a look at both side by side. I agree they are both solid choices.

 

[RivaiC]

What is the contrast ratio of this monitor ? I wonder how's this compare to JVC DT-V17L2D, it has higher resolution, same viewing angle, but no waveform and vector scope.

 

[John Chater]

Hi Mitch

You might want to double check the better off axis viewing claim. The 1760 we received was quite inferior to the 1700 with a side by side.. Especially on the vertical axis


Best
John
Chater Camera
San Francisco

 

[Matthew Rogers]

What is the contrast ratio of this monitor ? I wonder how's this compare to JVC DT-V17L2D, it has higher resolution, same viewing angle, but no waveform and vector scope.

I got the JVC and I feel for picture that it's a little bit better. The blacks are "blacker" and it seems to be a little sharper. It's got a little more plastic in the case and no waveform, but I found the Panasonic waveform hard to read and the RED waveform on camera far more accurate anyway.

Matthew

 

[Evangelos Achillopoulos]

Mitch, I just received my 1760 from Abel... Can we change the 3D LUT that is build in the monitor or its hard coded?

(you probably know better, but I thing its hard coded...)

What I know for the 1760, from a client, is that the decoupling error is minimal in contrast to other broadcast LCD's.
Decoupling error is measured when you try to profile a monitor with a software like Cinespace, and it gives an indication how uniform is the monitor in the whole color spectrum that is trying to reproduce, from deep blacks to super whites.

 

[Eli Jarra]

I checked out both in person with Mitch at Abel Cine (thanks Mitch) and went with the 1700. Partly because we're planning to invest soon in much higher end monitors, but also because for the purpose of having a good client monitor, better for checking focus than the RED lcd, etc. - the 1700 seemed just as good to my eye. Your eyes' mileage may vary, so I would try to get a look at both side by side. I agree they are both solid choices.

Very helpful...Thanks! In regards to the price drop, I see panasonic has got $500 rebates for both of these.

Mitch do you carry both? You can PM me if you'd like.

 

[Mitch Gross]

Hi Mitch

You might want to double check the better off axis viewing claim. The 1760 we received was quite inferior to the 1700 with a side by side.. Especially on the vertical axis


Best
John
Chater Camera
San Francisco

Maybe it was the unit you received. I just walked over to our display floor to compare again. The 1760 was definitely better off axis, including vertical.

 

[Mitch Gross]

Mitch, I just received my 1760 from Abel... Can we change the 3D LUT that is build in the monitor or its hard coded?

(you probably know better, but I thing its hard coded...)

What I know for the 1760, from a client, is that the decoupling error is minimal in contrast to other broadcast LCD's.
Decoupling error is measured when you try to profile a monitor with a software like Cinespace, and it gives an indication how uniform is the monitor in the whole color spectrum that is trying to reproduce, from deep blacks to super whites.

As you suspect, the LUT is hard-coded.

 

[Mitch Gross]

Very helpful...Thanks! In regards to the price drop, I see panasonic has got $500 rebates for both of these.

Mitch do you carry both? You can PM me if you'd like.

Abel does in fact carry both monitors. We sell them by the pallet; they're very popular.

 

[Mitch Gross]

I got the JVC and I feel for picture that it's a little bit better. The blacks are "blacker" and it seems to be a little sharper. It's got a little more plastic in the case and no waveform, but I found the Panasonic waveform hard to read and the RED waveform on camera far more accurate anyway.

Matthew

Off-axis viewing on the JVC is terrible. You really have to be dead center on the screen to get anything close to an accurate image. The Panasonic is far better in this regard.

 

[RivaiC]

I got the JVC and I feel for picture that it's a little bit better. The blacks are "blacker" and it seems to be a little sharper. It's got a little more plastic in the case and no waveform, but I found the Panasonic waveform hard to read and the RED waveform on camera far more accurate anyway.

Matthew

Thanks matthew. I don't certainly hope that it comes near to CRT color reproduction, but at least close. I think JVC and Panasonic have been a favorite on set monitors. Just that nowadays client like to see big monitor 24" or so. So size does matter too apart from their features.

Thanks

 

[RivaiC]

Off-axis viewing on the JVC is terrible. You really have to be dead center on the screen to get anything close to an accurate image. The Panasonic is far better in this regard.

Which model are you talking about ? JVC DT-V17L2D claim to have 176 degree view which technically has the same off axis viewing like panasonic. Would appreciate if you can give more hints here.

 

[Mitch Gross]

In general, I found that all JVC flat panels suffer from any off-axis viewing. Specs are meaningless as they often can be deceiving. The image may still be viewable but the accuracy is compromised. Also, the JVC's have extremely shiny, reflective covers while the Panasonics are more of a matte finish. Most if not all JVC monitors can only run on AC power while the Panasonic 17" panels can run AC or DC.

 

[Matthew Rogers]

In general, I found that all JVC flat panels suffer from any off-axis viewing. Specs are meaningless as they often can be deceiving. The image may still be viewable but the accuracy is compromised. Also, the JVC's have extremely shiny, reflective covers while the Panasonics are more of a matte finish. Most if not all JVC monitors can only run on AC power while the Panasonic 17" panels can run AC or DC.

My JVC panel doesn't have great vertical off-axis viewing, but it's really no worse than any of the 17" Panny panels I've used. With any LCD panel I just know that I have to be dead center to get an accurate picture. While the reflective coating is more of a pain to deal with in the sunlight, I've found that when I put the JVC next to a Panny, the blacks were richer (may not be the case with the new Panny).

You need to look at the specs again Mitch, both the 9" and 17" JVC's with HD-SDI support AC/DC power. Anything larger than a 17" panel draws too much power and would have to be powered off either a block battery or a car battery. The panasonic is the same way. Anything 17" and below does both, anything higher (they only have the 26") runs only off DC.

Matthew

 

[Mitch Gross]

Thanks Matt, I stand corrected. But I still prefer the image on the Panasonics or the Sonys over the JVCs.

 

[RivaiC]

So it comes down to personal taste..huh.. i guess it's fair enough. It's still true for any LCD even Cinemage LCD in our studio to suffer from luma shift. It's the nature of the LCD. Dead center is the most accurate view.

 

[Chris Parker]

yep. personal taste. the panasonics are kind of the industry norm though, so they are an LCD panel that everyone has seen and accepts as the best solution. so you can't go wrong with them i find. i have 6 X 17-inches and 3 X 26-inches......the clients and director's love em. even if the JVC was better, they wouldn't be as well received as like i said, the panny's are an industry standard, and in film, image is everything......funny that.