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Democracy or Benevolent Dictatorship...

I guess you'll not be able to change optics then...;) But now, as that seems to be your final word on this and there will be impossible to get a normal 16mm lens on the thing, maybe we could ask for some clever focus design. From watching the pictures it seems you'll have to autofocus the little thing, or pull some small video wheel on the side or something, right? Without a sensible way to pull focus and no way to mesure it there would be great with some kind of autofocus memory that you could step through with a button and maybe program the time the pulling should take or something... I know, it'd be clumsy as hell but I see no other way I could capture something good with it. I can't see myself pulling a little wheel desperatly watching some kind of monitor.

Or maybe a large focus wheel at the left side with a digital display with the focal length and a hook on the top for the mesure tape? That would be the best solution I guess..

But you've got it covered I guess...
 
Jannard said:
Sorry... dictatorship is winning big here.

We will listen very carefully, but this is not a "vote for options" program.

If you want that, start your own company.

Jim
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Mr. Jannard,

I certainly understand that you should have this sort of reaction. I've been following the boards since the Scarlet announcement, and it is a little annoying. However, it is to be expected. This is basic human nature and there is really nothing wrong with it. You gave people an open forum to discuss your work and your company. And as the leader of what some people might call a "movement", I would suggest that it might be more prudent to take the high road and not voice your frustrations with the plebs in such an open manner. Not from a business stand point, but from a personal one.

Yes, I realize that everyone else is voicing their opinion, why shouldn't you. I just suggest that in your position you rise above all of this. Bitch and complain to your fellow co-workers (I'm sure you guys at the office have had a few words over this Scarlet thing) but don't do it in front of the children.

Just a suggestion.

Thanks for listening...

-D
 
The best solution would be a follow focus knob on the side of the camera. Now that would be neat. Having accepted that it is going to be a fixed focus lens, I hope they will ultimately make it a 10x T1.8 lens. And I hope that a lot of the manual controls will be on the outside and not burried in menus. They should take the D200 as a school example. Great ergonomics and button placement, which makes it a pleasure to work with it.

And about the tone of the RED corporate communication:

Dear Mr. Jannard,

I truly respect you. You started a revolution in the video/film industry with the RED ONE, and you pull it off again with the RED Scarlet. Great work and I cannot thank you enough for this.

But we live in a free world and a forum is used to discuss and voice opinions. You hyped this camera more then everything before it. What did you expect? That it would be perfect and everyone would say "hail the king (or queen that should be)". This is the downfall of hype.

I would ask a little bit more respect for those people who see room for improvement. I understand (and I would probably do the same) that you won't change anything. But what is wrong with asking for a faster lens or a lens mount? A lot of people are in the market for that, they are not cheap, as most of them are willing to pay a big premium for those features.

Keep up the good work but also show some respect for people who show interest and take time to react and share their thoughts on your product and announcements.
 
Benevolent dictatorship is the way to go.

Imagine if filmmaking was a democratic process and even the studio janitor could interfere in the final product...

Democracy fails!
 
For all you guys worrying about manual controls, stop. You didn't see any on the metal mockup because, well, it's a mockup and not a finished product. It's much like everyone freaking out because they didn't see any audio inputs. Did you really think that they wouldn't have audio on the camera?
Maybe it would be best if they shut down the Scarlet threads and let everyone take a collective breath for a while, come back in 6 to 9 months and show us a mostly functional prototype without having to listen to all this feedback that isn't going to change their minds much anyway.
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Ipod Games
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkoHTjx8siM&NR=1

I noticed Teds new jacket ... Spiffy..."Its fun to shake things up" he says ...

Ted - Just wait untill the Soccer Moms get on board! ... An idea for next years attire - "Red-Togas" ... Zip up the tent and let the games begin!

The passion and enthusiasm generated by this incredible Team, its Leader, and their hard work to bring a Revolutionary Vision to us, The People, far exceeds all expectation above and beyond the wildest of speculations, and most importantly;

It over shadows all the negativity spewed upon it by misanthropic mumblers whos only joy is to piss on our parade.

DogDay
 
For a camera like this at a price under 3 grand, this is a benevolent dictatorship I'm happy to live under.

And it sure beats those other dictatorships: Sony, Panny, etc.
 
I like the Scarlet and I don't think anything NEEDS to change. I would buy it as it is for $8000, let alone $3000.

Will there be any Scarlet only accessories?
 
Jannard said:
Sorry... dictatorship is winning big here.

We will listen very carefully, but this is not a "vote for options" program.

If you want that, start your own company.

Jim
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FINE!

Ok, let's see now.

Hmmm. Business model...wow. This is tough.

Raise some capital... *phone dialing and ringing* "Hello, Sean?" "Yeah, it's your brother." "Could you loan me, I don't know... ten million dollars?" "No?" "Why not?" "Cheap bastard." *hangs up phone*

Now I get to create a 3K camera for under $3000. This'll be easy.
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.*ten seconds later* "Aw the hell with it."

*phone dialing and ringing*

"Hello? Red" "Yes, I'd like to order two Scarlets."

And there was joy...and common sense in the land.

FIN

Written, produced and directed by MistahTibbs

Shot on Scarlet

DVD & Blu-ray available sometime early 2009
 
Dont get it?

Dont get it?

Have I missed something on this thread?

A manufacturer who directly and in person creates the impression to customers that he is not interested in their feedback?

Bad hair day Jim:)




Mike Brennan
 
I'll admit, originally I thought "Oh, darn!" about the lens, because interchangeability was something I had really hoped for. But after seriously considering all of the amazing goodies that Scarlet will offer for the price, I realize it would be silly to complain. There's just too much potential in the camera to get worried about it.

So, is it 2009 yet?
 
Mickjoebill said:
Have I missed something on this thread?

A manufacturer who directly and in person creates the impression to customers that he is not interested in their feedback?

Mike Brennan
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apparently you have. if you re-read his original post he says that he will carefully listen to requests but that the specs to this camera are basically laid in stone (and said the same thing long before NAB) What other company does even close to that? They all present a camera and you either buy it or don't.

RED rocks!!
 
Mickjoebill said:
Have I missed something on this thread?

A manufacturer who directly and in person creates the impression to customers that he is not interested in their feedback?

Bad hair day Jim:)




Mike Brennan
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Hey Mike,

It's not that. If anything it reminds me (and this'll probably piss somebody off) of the odd occasion where one of my kids will get a present (something really nice that they've wanted) and it's not EXACTLY what they wanted and they complain about it.

It just seems...ungrateful.

3K for UNDER $3000!
1-120 fps
LCD
Audio
and so much more.

I'm going to get a bit "gushy" here but, from nearly ALL accounts RED is a camera that is a dream come true.

Scarlet is very likely to be a repeat of that success.

Again I'll say it. UNDER $3000!

UNDER $3000!

UNDER $3000!

With the feature set promised, if they deliver (not doubting, mind you), this cam is going to be a dream come true for FJ6P*.

Personally, my DVX100b cams are on the block once Scarlet is released and I'll be picking up a pair for my biz.

sincerely,


MT


*FJ6P = Film Joe Six-Pack

(is that too Canadian a saying?)
 
pdisante said:
I'll admit, originally I thought "Oh, darn!" about the lens, because interchangeability was something I had really hoped for. But after seriously considering all of the amazing goodies that Scarlet will offer for the price, I realize it would be silly to complain. There's just too much potential in the camera to get worried about it.
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Well said.

pdisante said:
So, is it 2009 yet?
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*checks watch*
Not yet.


MT
 
I think it's clear that the forum is for us to talk, and for Red to take what they want from those discussions.
I'd hate to think that they feel the need to try and keep everybody happy all the time, but hope that what we say maybe gives them some feel in deciding the balance between otherwise equal priorities say.

So far we've been given about 10x what anybody would have asked for pre-Red, so what do we know anyhow? ;-)
 
Scarlet can use many RED accessories.

And the camera is indeed amazing, but how can you say you are buying it when you haven't seen one image coming from it? Everyone is drooling over specifications. And specifications alone gets you nowhere. And the potential is amazing, but when you can't unleash it, for example when the lens is not that good, it would be a real pity. I think we (me included) just have to wait untill working prototypes surface and specifications are finalized.
 
dieseljunkie said:
I would ask a little bit more respect for those people who see room for improvement.




but also show some respect for people who show interest and take time to react and share their thoughts on your product and announcements.
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Since the first morning of NAB, the people on this site have made me sick, but I've kept quiet.

Statements like these make me want to speak up... and more.

The fact is, is that this camera will give an opportunity to hundreds of thousands (or more) of people that would otherwise not get that opportunity.

Does anyone realize there are infinitely more potential filmmakers, wannabe music video directors, videographers, and doc directors out there than already working industry pros? These people don't have tens of thousands of dollars to spend, and otherwise wouldn't have access to a tool that could really, honestly let them unleash that potential. Like I said, this camera give's them an opportunity to show what they can do (and yes, I'm keeping post productions costs in mind).

All you people saying you'd rather pay 2 to 3 time's what it's going for, if it only had this or that, look elsewhere for you're needs, or buy a RED one. This camera may not be for you.

Feedback is one thing, being self-centered is another.... and all I've seen around here lately is the latter. I 100% feel where Jannard's frustration is coming from.

Shame on you.



(p.s. This is not directed towards the satisfied, grateful people, obviously)
 
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