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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Delay news... sort of.

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bluestar said:
3) I really dislike this early camera handout to big player with reputation and money. This is a smack in the face to the devoted believers and reservation holders. Despite any response I may get from this one, the fact is the reservation # should of had a meaning. To release it to big boys for testing purposes is still a slap to my reservation and time waiting effort.
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Settle down, Beavis. I don't see any problem in JJ handing out beta's to major filmshoots. The majority of filmmakers still needs to be convinced this camera is any good against regular 35, and there's no better way to do that than to make actual movies with it.

And besides, with res # 1376 you're not such an early adopter at all.
A smack in the face? Come on...
 
How about a little RED challenge to hold us over.

Give 3 weeks to make a pitch for a 2 day shoot (short film) and then let the winner shoot with a RED beta for 2 days with a DP of RED's choosing.

Think of it as Over The Line 2 only with the chance for one lucky RED User forum member to take over for peter jackson.
 
The milk girls were HOT, I would like to see them in full 4K beauty ;) hehe.

Look at some of the pictures from the SI-2K... the one girl isn't even cute, come on, you don't benefit from 4K resolution or 2K resolution if you have nothing to shoot. In fact you'd be better off using a 1 CCD MiniDV cam, that way people would be like, "Hmm she may be cute, can't really tell, all of the grain and artifacts obscure her looks. She could be hot!" But shoot a mediocre girl in 2K or 4K and it's pretty obvious she don't got it. ;)

More milk girls wanted.
 
The revolution is eating up there children. Dont' know, why it should not be possible, to handle out some of the beta cameras to some of the first reservation holders. I understand that for business reasons Jim has to give the first test cameras to the major film industrie. But it would be great if some of the first RED believers in the states and in europe would get the chance to be a part of the test field. I'm absolutely shure, RED will be the best camera out there no doubt about it. But that would be kind of fair.
 
Finner said:
I agree I think having a low number is not going to mean you get the camera much sooner then someone that orders in the next few months.
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I am beginnning to worry about that, and it really bums me out. All this time I was hoping that having #27 would turn into a real advantage, but the longer these delays go the more it get's diluted out.

EDIT: It's still possible that Jim could sweeten the deal a bit more for reservation holders. Originally it was forcasted that this camera would ship at the end of 2006. I mean, he sure doesn't have to, but he might. Santa sometimes returns to stuff the stocking a little higher :-)
 
I agree artbeatsart,

That would sound fair.

I perfectly understand the reality and the need for RED to provide cameras to major film companies, but i have stamped in my mind that the whole project was intended to help people, small producers to have access to the best tool. At least, that's what i understood a year ago.

Very good and positive suggestion artbeatsart.

BTW, if big film companies WILL use the cameras, in my mind, that also means the camera is capable of the very best picture. That is the good new.
 
I can understand how people with early reservation numbers would be bummed about that, but I hope that is the case because at least that means that for me -- being near the end of the line -- I wouldn't have to wait a set amount of time after the first RED ships. Maybe if it had shipped by now, I'd be waiting 6 months after shipment, maybe 7 or 8, but now if it ships in September I might only wait 4-5 months, who knows, I hope so anyway.
 
im.thatoneguy said:
How about a little RED challenge to hold us over.

Give 3 weeks to make a pitch for a 2 day shoot (short film) and then let the winner shoot with a RED beta for 2 days with a DP of RED's choosing.

Think of it as Over The Line 2 only with the chance for one lucky RED User forum member to take over for peter jackson.
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Great idea! I want Mullen. :)
 
To the Indefagitable RED team

To the Indefagitable RED team

Hey,

I think you guys are masters of dramatic tension! I only hope you're shooting some footage during these last few months to release. It could make a GREAT reality TV show.

I feel for you. From my videogame designing days, I used to tell the troops "The last two percent takes 20% of the time, budget and anguish, but it's what determines the difference between a hit and an also ran."

So do whatever you have to, to bring this baby home. Best of luck to the entire team!

MM
 
Tom said:
Dude, are you kidding? You hold a reservation in the 1300s and you consider it a "slap in the face" that prototype cameras are actually being tested by professionals before they mass produce them?? Give me a break.
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It shouldn't matter if he's number 10 or number 1400. If he has a reservation, it means he ponied up early, took a chance, put down his money, and invested in the company. I can see how any reservation holder would consider it a smack in the face for someone else to skip way ahead in line and get to shoot their movie with the camera just because they have a recognized name or deep pockets. That's not to say that Jim can't run his company however he wishes, but lay off the poster - some of us have been waiting a hell of a lot longer and we still don't know when the cameras are coming (hopefully that will be handled next week, though most of us thought it would be handled today (or "early 2007," or whenever)).

As far as "being tested by the professionals," Jim said flat out that the cameras are being used to "shoot major motion pictures," not point them at res charts and greycards. While of COURSE using them in a production environment will help to bring flaws to the surface, the reservation holders in the first batch were aware of the situation already. We were told way back that the first set of cameras would have "minimal features" and that they'd be "software upgradable" through the development process and we even had the option to "wait it out" until the production cameras were 100% feature-enabled before we took possession if we wanted. We were fine with that, because as Blair mentioned, we understood that being an early reservation holder meant along with the little snags of a first-gen product, we would also get the perks of having the camera early. This is looking less and less like the case as time goes on. Jim even mentioned in the last update that the delays would likely only affect the earlier serial numbers, so it's a lot easier for someone with a serial of, say, 400, to be less concerned with the news.

Before anyone takes MY post the wrong way, understand that I have been on board with this project since reservations were first made available and I have been an incredibly ardent supporter of the camera, Graeme's workflow, and the RED philosophy the whole time. I've worked very hard to promote and educate users about the project over the last year and a half, and I know I've sent more than a few customers their way. And my passion for RED hasn't dwindled a bit; I'm still every bit as excited to adopt RED ONE into my arsenal as I was at the beginning. But just because I love the people behind RED and the product they have created does not make me a blind sheep that is there to offer condolences to Jim every time he makes a post. To be critical is to care. And I don't think anyone with a reservation is running to the hills anytime soon. But as the (unfortunate) delays begin to pile up and the consistent news of "we'll let you know more later" starts to sting, I don't think anyone should be bashed for expressing their concern.

Just my two cents.
 
so, who is ready to turn in their reservation number due to these maddening delays, let's see a show of hands...

thought so...

best of luck to jim and his team. this can't be easy. every other company in the world has the luxury of instituting product delays without listening to their critics daily.

after all, sony has had its fingers in its ears, singing "la la la la la" in response to its customers for years....

things we're still waiting on:

32GB P2

affordable Blu-Ray delivery

XL H1 with embedded HD-SDI audio

the beat goes on....

when RED is ready, i'll be ready....
 
I hear what you are saying Haakon...let's hope for the best next Friday.
Aloha
-A
 
Excellent post Haakon. I am bummed watching my early reservation become progressively less and less valuable. I guess I'm just hoping something occurs to bring back some value for being willing to take a leap of faith for Jim and Red co.
 
Well Häakon, you're pointing to the fact that I have #400 and saying it's easier for me to be chill about it, but I was addressing a guy with a reservation in the 1300s who was saying he was "being slapped in the face" by Jannard, just because they are field testing the camera with professionals.

You're a smart guy, so I am assuming you were able to read between the lines like any smart person would and know that this thing was not going to be shooting features this summer or fall. I remember specifically talking to YOU about it over on the DVXuser forum, when I was telling people to be cautious about planning shoots too early. It was easy to know that there was no way this camera would be tested, completed, manufactured, and out to people anytime early this year.

I understand your frustration, but what are Jim and them supposed to do? They are working as hard as they can. It will be ready just as soon as they can get it ready. What else needs to be said? Are you claiming that by having the cameras tested on a set while they are trying to fix some glitches that this is somehow slowing down the camera going into production for someone with a # 80 camera? The camera is not ready yet, plain and simple.
 
Tom said:
Well Häakon, you're pointing to the fact that I have #400 and saying it's easier for me to be chill about it, but I was addressing a guy with a reservation in the 1300s who was saying he was "being slapped in the face" by Jannard, just because they are field testing the camera with professionals.
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I appreciate your reply, but there are two separate issues at hand here: one is that at several motion pictures are being shot right now with RED cameras well before any reservation holder (who put money down 18 months ago) has had the chance to, and two is that because of the delays, they've been able to address other issues which will in turn shorten production between the earlier serial numbers and the rest of the lot (and potentially minimize any advantage of being an early reservation holder). The poster you originally quoted (in the 1300s) was taking issue with the first situation, and my post about the delays (and your serial number) was the second. Just so we're clear. :-)
 
Shawn Nelson said:
I am bummed watching my early reservation become progressively less and less valuable.
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Shawn... I've always liked you. But I disagree with you on this point.

Thanks again for my NAB present.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
Shawn... I've always liked you. But I disagree with you on this point.

Thanks again for my NAB present.

Jim
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Okay, thanks for noticing. I am glad you disagree! I'm simply noticing that the window between when my camera is ready and when everyone else's is ready appears to be narrowing. If this isn't the case or if there is some other advantage to being #27 that I don't know of, then I'm cool. I mean, I really am just talking about whether I get the cherry on the banana split at this point. Please don't mistake my questions or comments for genuine grousing.

I'm glad you like the present! I enjoyed getting to meet you.
 
Are any of the field testers reservation holders or members of this community at all?

If not then I only hope these shoots don't employ any of the many individuals who have been putting the camera down from the beginning. I don't mind others testing it but it's the thought of people who have said we're all crazy for buying into it getting their dirty mitts on the camera before any RedUsers ever get to :). It'd be actually quite insulting to find someone who's been bashing the camera come on here to tell us all how good it is. I was also looking forward to this community being the ones to showcase the cameras capabilities to the world.

Nevermind though. :sad:
 
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