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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Delay news... sort of.

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rameshjai said:
I have a feeling that when the problems are sorted out, mass production of RED will commence and the #'s will not mean anything...
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I agree I think having a low number is not going to mean you get the camera much sooner then someone that orders in the next few months.
 
I do want to get my RED's like tomorrow. But I do have to look at the bright side. It looks like I will get to pay cash. For both of mine. Not have to borrow money on some of it. I will own them they will be mine. And i will hold them and love them and tell them they are special... Oh sorry guys got lost there for a minute.
 
ChrisForbes said:
I like the Beta cameras going out, I hate that they are going to movies. Which means we won't see any footage. I like that they are going to movies which means we increase our credibility with producers. I hate that we will have to wait to see the footage.

Oh and did I mention that I hate that we will have cameras in the wild but we won't be able to see any of the footage.

Sorry for being annoying.
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not annoying at all.

And dont worry.. cameras will be in the wild but we will have cameras at home and pending on how busy we are I have an idea for Milk Girls 2 to tie everyone over before the floodgates open :)
 
Finner said:
I agree I think having a low number is not going to mean you get the camera much sooner then someone that orders in the next few months.
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Daren,

I used to feel special. Now I just feel special retarded.
 
IMGentertainment said:
I do want to get my RED's like tomorrow. But I do have to look at the bright side. It looks like I will get to pay cash. For both of mine. Not have to borrow money on some of it. I will own them they will be mine. And i will hold them and love them and tell them they are special... Oh sorry guys got lost there for a minute.
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I'll have whatever he's drinking!.. ;)
 
Jannard said:
Please note from the puzzle pic above, all the pieces are there. Just not in place yet.
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Dear Jim,

Eight pieces are not in place which would indicate the puzzle is still 14.3% incomplete.

[/smartass]
 
Jarred Land said:
not annoying at all.

And dont worry.. cameras will be in the wild but we will have cameras at home and pending on how busy we are I have an idea for Milk Girls 2 to tie everyone over before the floodgates open :)
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Instead of doing something new, I think the majority of us will be better served seeing the full JP short film online. That will be a much better proposition at this point in time.
 
And I'm already thinking about placing an order for a second RED, but will probably wait to see how my tests on the first one come out, though. We'll see...
 
Still pumped

Still pumped

As the holder of a low rez number (19) I am feeling like some of my competitive advantage has been lost in the evolving scenario. I was hoping to have the opportunity to be an on set babysitter / troubleshooter on a big production or two this year. I was even hoping to get a premium rental rate to pay off my rig quicker.

Do I deserve this advantage just because I saw the potential so early and put my money where my opinion was?

I certainly don't have an axe to grind with RED, nobody ever promised that the time between shipping serial #19 and #600 (about the point where I estimate the scarcity factor will abate significantly) would be 6 months.

I was kind of looking forward to the adventure of having one of the early handbuilt cameras, being a de-facto Beta tester and leveraging my way onto some big shows - it would have been a gas.

Ultimately its Jim's camera and he can provide them to whomever he wants before he ships me #19. I still feel very lucky to be a part of the Rebellion and am totally geeked up to shoot with the RedOne - 4k rez, 12bit RAW color space in a wavelet codec at under 30MB/sec using a S35 sized sensor with 11+ stops of latitude - that's what I'm talking about!
 
1) Will early reservations end up becoming a pointless investment in regards to those who reserved before NAB?

2) Upgrades? I already assumed the camera specs are as is displayed on the red.com website; does this mean otherwise?

3) I really dislike this early camera handout to big player with reputation and money. This is a smack in the face to the devoted believers and reservation holders. Despite any response I may get from this one, the fact is the reservation # should of had a meaning. To release it to big boys for testing purposes is still a slap to my reservation and time waiting effort.


I'm still a firm red believer and will keep my reservation, but not for long if news continues like this. I'm just very unsatisfied, venting, and would really like to know why the big players are getting access to it when I'm sure a majority of them we're in disbelief up until NAB reviews.
 
Jannard said:
4. We plan to move as quickly as possible to production cameras. We are not looking at next year. We are not looking at the end of this year to begin production. I will fill in the details of what we are looking at next week.
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These are really great news -- thanks! I'm glad to hear that.
 
Emanuel,

Can you describe how you interpret this? Reading it again, I think mass production could start in September.

David
 
At least a reservation gives you the discount.

I see what you are saying about the beta testers, but it will make a much better camera for release.

bluestar said:
1) Will early reservations end up becoming a pointless investment in regards to those who reserved before NAB?

2) Upgrades? I already assumed the camera specs are as is displayed on the red.com website; does this mean otherwise?

3) I really dislike this early camera handout to big player with reputation and money. This is a smack in the face to the devoted believers and reservation holders. Despite any response I may get from this one, the fact is the reservation # should of had a meaning. To release it to big boys for testing purposes is still a slap to my reservation and time waiting effort.


I'm still a firm red believer and will keep my reservation, but not for long if news continues like this. I'm just very unsatisfied, venting, and would really like to know why the big players are getting access to it when I'm sure a majority of them we're in disbelief up until NAB reviews.
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bluestar said:
3) I really dislike this early camera handout to big player with reputation and money. This is a smack in the face to the devoted believers and reservation holders. Despite any response I may get from this one, the fact is the reservation # should of had a meaning. To release it to big boys for testing purposes is still a slap to my reservation and time waiting effort.
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Camera tests are 100% needed. In reality the field testing on real shows will help to refine the camera which was something I for one was worried about. There ain't no substitute for the harsh realities of production and all the gremlins that pop up. Besides, the price is still the same, right?

At the same time, it sort of seems like some major players don't have to buy a camera like everyone else. Revolutions sometimes mostly serve the purposes the new Oligarchy. :biggrin:
 
Well...if that's all that it takes, i'm ready to make a film and change my serial number for a name on the camera...

...and after that i will be recognized...

OK, seriously, i think that if the waiting is not too long...it makes sense.
Anyway, we dont have any choice.
That's reality.
 
bluestar said:
1) Will early reservations end up becoming a pointless investment in regards to those who reserved before NAB?

2) Upgrades? I already assumed the camera specs are as is displayed on the red.com website; does this mean otherwise?

3) I really dislike this early camera handout to big player with reputation and money. This is a smack in the face to the devoted believers and reservation holders. Despite any response I may get from this one, the fact is the reservation # should of had a meaning. To release it to big boys for testing purposes is still a slap to my reservation and time waiting effort.


I'm still a firm red believer and will keep my reservation, but not for long if news continues like this. I'm just very unsatisfied, venting, and would really like to know why the big players are getting access to it when I'm sure a majority of them we're in disbelief up until NAB reviews.
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Dude, are you kidding? You hold a reservation in the 1300s and you consider it a "slap in the face" that prototype cameras are actually being tested by professionals before they mass produce them?? Give me a break.

These sorts of tests and extra time for unforeseen problems should have been taken into account by anyone with any sense. Our camera is #400 and I knew all along this would be the reality. You can't leapfrog several generations of technology in a couple of months! That's why I planned my first RED shoot for very late summer 2008. Anyone who thought they'd be shooting this summer was being naive, IMO.

Like I said, Jim and them are as enthusiastic as we are, so it's up to each of us to keep a realistic view on this. And keep in mind, by this point, there is no way in hell Jannard is even coming close to making a profit on the first few thousand cameras. He's doing this for the love of doing it, and for people like us. It's obvious he's stressed out, it's not like he's taking it lightly and blowing people off. Just the opposite. So let's cut some slack here.
 
lordnumberzero said:
Camera tests are 100% needed. In reality the field testing on real shows will help to refine the camera which was something I for one was worried about. There ain't no substitute for the harsh realities of production and all the gremlins that pop up. Besides, the price is still the same, right?

At the same time, it sort of seems like some major players don't have to buy a camera like everyone else. Revolutions sometimes mostly serve the purposes the new Oligarchy. :biggrin:
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About the part of real world testing... You are absolutly spot on. Once upon a time there was a 65mm camera that everybody swore was ready for the field, but low and behold on the first shoot it was found to scratch film if you pointed it down at an acute angle. My but there were some red (no pun intened) faces that day. Now I realized that this was a mechanical problem.. but there is NO subsitute for actual field testing of whatever the product is.
 
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