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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DaVinci

I think Frank meant entrenched in their own custom built hardware.
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
15x more expensive SpeedGrade can even clean the shoes of 1000 bucks only DaVinci Resoleve software.

Read both manuals and just compare >>>
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I love your friendliness.

I agree with you that Resolve is the much better tool, especially in it's 1K Mac version used in many famous projects through out the world.

Sorry for being so out-dated. Stupid me.


Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
I love your friendliness.

I agree with you that Resolve is the much better tool, especially in it's 1K Mac version used in many famous projects through out the world.

Sorry for being so out-dated. Stupid me.


Hans
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A lack of good humor and a bit of honesty can't help you.

You should finally "resolve" your desire for a "speed grade" with 1000 Euro software!!!

Grant Petty, CEO of Blackmagic Design knows something more about it...
 
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Whats this LUT for Hans? Working with QT alot currently.. be intersting in what its supposed to fix?

I know the gamma shift but am aware of a colour shift also.

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edit.. so not to be tooo OT.. we'll be getting Resolve :)
 
Sorry guys, I replied before from my iphone and I wasn't clear.

In no way is Resolve a bad piece of kit. What I meant is that DaVince was brought in to the DI software world kicking and screaming. For years they where profitable with their hardware solutions and hence had little reason to develop this kind of solutions. Until the other days they where still developing the 2K and different options for it.

I personally evaluated most of the highend solutions a couple years ago, and from that bunch, DaVinci only had one thing going for it, it seemed like the easiest one for our davinci colorist to evolve into. Nothing really stood out when compared against the other ones.


Now... IF you compare it to COLOR its an obvious choice which one SHOULD be better. I never evaluated speedgrade, so I dont know how it compares, but in the under 1K solutions for color correction I believe there will be nothing like it.
 
Frank,

How would it compare to Scratch, Baselight or Pablo... solely for the purpose of color grading footage?
 
What I saw...

In theory they all should be able to produce the same grade. It just so happens that when we sat on it, it was the least intuitive of the bunch to operate.

You will notice that now in grading sessions you are doing a TON of other stuff besides grading. You will find urself making keys, noise reducing the keys either upstream or downstream from the key. Tracking is pretty useful. I've heard there is a 3d tracker inside davinci, never seen it.

I would suggest you guys find someone who has used resolve and some of the other tools and have that person give a description.

One thing that really seemed weird is that a place like Nice-Shoes in NYC (a TOP TOP color house) that was all DaVincis 2K started to switch to Baselights instead of resolves. Maybe someone from that place will read the post and give us some insight?
 
Barend Onneweer said:
One thing you don't take into account is support. Since Apple started giving Color away - how has that been working for you? I know a lot of people make money using Color. But I also hear a lot of complaints about workflow issues and nobody at Apple gives a sh!t.
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This statement is absolutely hilarious to anyone who was using FinalTouch in the silicon graphics days. Sure you could get someone on the line, but the odds that they could help you with a project on the line? Quite slim.

Color became a decent solution only *after* apple bought them. Sure, you could no longer call with your workflow issues, but my experience is that a product with more users tends to be more stable and easier to support.

DaVinci Resolve is really attractive, even if just for the name recognition. Just being able to tell my clients that we're grading on a DaVinci will probably get me some new clients, as grading in Color has chased a few away.
 
Joseph Mastantuono said:
Color became a decent solution only *after* apple bought them. Sure, you could no longer call with your workflow issues, but my experience is that a product with more users tends to be more stable and easier to support.
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Hear, hear!
 
Frank Cueto said:
What I saw...

In theory they all should be able to produce the same grade. It just so happens that when we sat on it, it was the least intuitive of the bunch to operate.

You will notice that now in grading sessions you are doing a TON of other stuff besides grading. You will find urself making keys, noise reducing the keys either upstream or downstream from the key. Tracking is pretty useful. I've heard there is a 3d tracker inside davinci, never seen it.

I would suggest you guys find someone who has used resolve and some of the other tools and have that person give a description.

One thing that really seemed weird is that a place like Nice-Shoes in NYC (a TOP TOP color house) that was all DaVincis 2K started to switch to Baselights instead of resolves. Maybe someone from that place will read the post and give us some insight?
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My friend used to work at "Nice Shoes" He told me that story last year, the switched to Baselights cause the Da Vinci's were unstable. To the point where it was more cost effective just to buy all new systems.
 
Andrae Palmer said:
1. It seems they aren't entrenched on the hardware side anymore.
2. I could hardly care about those who bought in at expensive prices... it's a different company now.
3. Yes I downloaded the manual last night and it kicks ass compared to anything else I currently have access to.
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How so...?
 
Andrae Palmer said:
3. Yes I downloaded the manual last night and it kicks ass compared to anything else I currently have access to.
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And a manual tells you NOTHING about how the system really functions in a production environment. It´s like looking at a car commercial and buying into the god rays and super reflective wind shields.

BTW, how much ass can a manual really kick?
 
Fredrik Harreschou said:
And a manual tells you NOTHING about how the system really functions in a production environment. It´s like looking at a car commercial and buying into the god rays and super reflective wind shields.

BTW, how much ass can a manual really kick?
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well, if you printed it out, and it is longer than the Red Brick Charger manual, then you could at least swat some ass.
 
WoW 10,000 views. You know black magic Da Vinci's guys are loving this. It would be fun to print out this thread and remake it in a studio with actors playing the avatars, ranting back in forth around a round table about what's a better color system. So, funny.

Any way if your out there black magic. Here is why I'm really posting. Make it rocket enabled and sell like 50% more copies!!!!!!!!!

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50% off red dailies rest of April!
 
The one feature I spotted right off the bat while reading the manual is how different tracking is in Resolve vs Color... especially the 3D tracking feature and the ease of use in using this tracker (select the object you want and just press one button... bam.. it's done with Auto Tracking). There is a whole lot more such as node based interface and more tools to isolated sections of an image. Support for multiple timelines... grading twin timelines for Stereoscopic 3D.
 
Andrae Palmer said:
Frank,

How would it compare to Scratch, Baselight or Pablo... solely for the purpose of color grading footage?
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Pretty much any color grading package today is comparable to what ever is "the best" when it comes to color. I am not saying that the Resolve software solution is bad. Hopefully it will be better than Color in terms of stability.

A couple of side notes, not directly related to the quoted post:

To me, a good grading system supports panels, is realtime in 1080P/2K DPX with secondaries, has the responsiveness of an offline editor, can do realtime playout to SR with little or no rendering, and can manage a render queue with 12 x 45 minute shows rendering to Quicktime and/or DPX overnight without crashing. The logo on the splash screen doesn´t make it a good product.

BMD´s track record on support on their hardware and the removal of support contracts on DaVinci should be of some concern to shop owners and seniors with deadlines.
 
Yes Page 130 "Window Tracking":

The operation of Window Tracking is very simple. Simply place the window over the object and press the Object Track Mode button on the Resolve Keyboard control panel followed by pushing the Track Fwd soft button on the Resolve control panel. The tracking process may also be started by mouse clicking within the Window Tracking GUI.
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Fredrik Harreschou said:
Pretty much any color grading package today is comparable to what ever is "the best" when it comes to color. I am not saying that the Resolve software solution is bad. Hopefully it will be better than Color in terms of stability.
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Well... Color is pretty stable, these days.

There're still other issues, though -:)
 
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