Customizing your camera with build 3.2.x

[Trent Lillehaugen]

Ok, after setting both presets I shut the camera down to see if I could keep them set. After rebooting the camera it allowed me to use two buttons to go back and forth. After two back and forth toggles between buttons the up arrow button reverted back to image magnify. Ok, I give.

Again, if you attach the presets to this thread I can take a look at them and see what you are doing wrong (or if there is some bug in the code that needs to be corrected).

 

[Frazier Nivens]

Again, if you attach the presets to this thread I can take a look at them and see what you are doing wrong (or if there is some bug in the code that needs to be corrected).

How do I save them to ssd? I can save camera log.

Got it, I'm getting ready to upload the Presets now.

 

[Frazier Nivens]

30fps to 96 fps and 96 to 30 fps presets

30fps to 96 fps and 96 to 30 fps presets

Here you go, thanks for taking a look at them.don't know if it's a bug somewhere, everything has been working just fine for me on Beta software.

Thanks,
Frazier

The 30 fps to 96 fps preset works just fine to go from 30/60 to 96/192 with relative in settings. I set this one to one of the arrow keys on the LCD and then other to the up arrow key to go back to 30/60. Is there a way to combine and toggle back and forth with one button?

 

[Trent Lillehaugen]

Here you go, thanks for taking a look at them.don't know if it's a bug somewhere, everything has been working just fine for me on Beta software.

Thanks,
Frazier

The 30 fps to 96 fps preset works just fine to go from 30/60 to 96/192 with relative in settings. I set this one to one of the arrow keys on the LCD and then other to the up arrow key to go back to 30/60. Is there a way to combine and toggle back and forth with one button?

I'm confused now, what do you mean everything had been working fine for you on Beta software? It sounded like in earlier posts you were unable to get the presets to work correctly. If you are still having problems can you please clearly state what is and what is not working for you as expected.

Yes, you can set it up to toggle with one button, look at this example:
Map a Key to Toggle or Cycle Through Different Settings

Edit:
Both of your presets are still mapping the LCD UP key to "Magnify: Toggle". That is why once you apply either of the presets the mapping you create goes away. You will need to make the presets map the key to apply the other preset to achieve the toggle effect or don't map that key in these presets at all so you can simply assign these presets to distinct keys.

 

[Frazier Nivens]

Sorry for the confusion, Have the EPIC on the latest BETA software and camera has been working wonderfully, The presets I created aren't. I will keep working at getting the preset right, I've mapped the Key to go to the preset and NOT the Image magnify and it works once or twice properly but then the same key that has been mapped to set to go back from 96 to 30 fps, jumps over to Image magnify on it's own when pushing each respective arrow key on the LCD.

Thank you for you time and care with your suggestions, this is really great and I'm thankful that you guys did this, now just have to figure out it all.

I'll delete these current ones and try again. After reading the instructions you just sent, thanks. No worries, I'll get it eventually.

Best, Frazier

 

[Zhibo Lai]

After a while of programming presets, I finally understand how it all works. The apply preset feature is no doubt very powerful in that you can program virtually any camera function or setting or display to a button. Kudos to Red UI team for designing this system. A quick feature suggestion:

Have the top side handle buttons (the 4 that are by default mapped to frame rate, aperture, ISO, white balance) be able to pop-up its respective menu control, instead of just switching to the slot. So if I hit the aperture button, the aperture menu pops up as if I had touched it on the LCD, so now I can just change the value with the rotary wheel. This makes it a fast 2 step process, instead of the 3 step process now where I have to press the aperture button, then hit the enter button, then adjust the wheel.

Also, have the ability to program in hold button functions. So if I hold down the aperture button it will bring up the advanced menu. Just like when you hold it down on the LCD.
I can see this also being useful for applying looks. Say I set button A to apply a certain look. If I want to switch to the look, I just hit the A button. But, if I just want to view it for a brief moment and then go back to the original look, I just push and hold. Now, I know the press/release mapping can accomplish the idea of holding a button to view, but then it looses the functionality of setting a look.

 

[Trent Lillehaugen]

After a while of programming presets, I finally understand how it all works. The apply preset feature is no doubt very powerful in that you can program virtually any camera function or setting or display to a button. Kudos to Red UI team for designing this system. A quick feature suggestion:

Have the top side handle buttons (the 4 that are by default mapped to frame rate, aperture, ISO, white balance) be able to pop-up its respective menu control, instead of just switching to the slot. So if I hit the aperture button, the aperture menu pops up as if I had touched it on the LCD, so now I can just change the value with the rotary wheel. This makes it a fast 2 step process, instead of the 3 step process now where I have to press the aperture button, then hit the enter button, then adjust the wheel.

Also, have the ability to program in hold button functions. So if I hold down the aperture button it will bring up the advanced menu. Just like when you hold it down on the LCD.
I can see this also being useful for applying looks. Say I set button A to apply a certain look. If I want to switch to the look, I just hit the A button. But, if I just want to view it for a brief moment and then go back to the original look, I just push and hold. Now, I know the press/release mapping can accomplish the idea of holding a button to view, but then it looses the functionality of setting a look.

Good suggestions.

The only problem with a hold feature on the physical buttons is that it makes it impossible to have a "Press", "Release", and "Hold" event. That is, you can't differentiate between a "Press" and a "Hold" until either the "Hold" time has been satisfied or the button is released (making it a press rather than a hold). This would cause the "Press" and "Release" events to occur at the same time. This means you would need to sacrifice the "Release" event to gain the "Hold" event. It might be nice to give the user the option - but we'll need to figure out how to do so without adding too much complexity.

The "Set Slot: *" actions that are tied to the 1-4 buttons by default work well when paired with the "Slot: Next/Previous Value" actions. If you map the front rotary wheel to "Slot: Next/Previous Value" then you click the 1-4 button and can change its value by using the front rotary without needing to even open up the spinners. However, I think having a parallel set of actions that pup-up the spinner is a good idea and adds flexibility.

 

[Tim Sutherland]

On my to do list is to try 2 key mapping tasks, wondering if anyone else has tried these yet.

First should be fairly straightforward, I want to make a multiple photo burst mode, where setting the slider to stills gets met to 96 fps, and then so that record press starts record and record release stops it. This way I end up with multiple short r3d files when capturing stills and makes the function much more like a high speed still camera.

The second is a little more complicated. I want to map a button as a gate check function, meaning a button press would enter playback mode and play the last clip, and release would stop and exit playback for recording again. I realize that I may have to have press enter a preset for playback and release play, then a second press and release stop playback then go back to normal preset and go live on release, or maybe I would need three or four press/release actions to do it all. The main goal is to have one button or maybe two if necessary get me automatically into playback and sta playing and get me back to live when I take an action, either releasing or pressing again.

Has anyone done either of these before to save myself some work?

Thanks.
Tim

 

[Trent Lillehaugen]

I like all your ideas. Speaking to number 4 we were thinking about adding the ability to assign a preset to certain camera events such as power up, start playback, start preview, etc. This should let you do some pretty cool things like keep separate record and playback key mappings.

FYI, this feature has been added in the new 3.3.x beta just released.

 

[Bill Prouty]

Hey Trent. Thanks for the quick response! The "LCD (Brain): Cycle Mode" was just what I was looking for.

Would you be able to post a write-up on how to create a soft key that toggles "Enable Look Around" on and off. I couldn't figure it out based on the link you posted about setting up presets.

Or even better... a video on the topic would be awesome.

Great job, and thanks!

 

[Patrick Grossien]

Trent, this whole feature is really exciting and powerful and gives so many possibilities I needed and wanted so badly. Thanks for the awesome work!

After switching changing and working on presets etc. I would really love to have an "EDIT" function for already programmed presets... for example if you missed to insert a certain function or key to the preset you're forced to do it all over again instead of just adding it to the existing preset. This would help out very much during the trial and error phase of programming these.

oh and one thing I don't quite understand: what is the PowerUp camera event meant to be for? As soon as it's powered up it's in preview mode, isn't it? Or is it being overwritten only as soon as I switch to playback and back to preview?
Could you post a quick example?

Thanks again! ---- Now back to "programming"

PS. is there a (vague) time frame for the offline programming tool you can tell us?

PPS. and for the "EDIT" function it would also be great if, when you saved the preset again, it could overwrite it with the current camera settings.
For example if you saved it set with the wrong focus mode, you could just set the correct focus mode and resave the preset, so that it would be added to it without reprogramming.

 

[Patrick Grossien]

Hmmm.... I can't seem to save current set Focus Mode in a Preset!? trying to switch between single and confirm... !?!? But this is working with the default config.
What do I have to add to the preset to get this done?

 

[Trent Lillehaugen]

Hey Trent. Thanks for the quick response! The "LCD (Brain): Cycle Mode" was just what I was looking for.

Would you be able to post a write-up on how to create a soft key that toggles "Enable Look Around" on and off. I couldn't figure it out based on the link you posted about setting up presets.

Or even better... a video on the topic would be awesome.

Great job, and thanks!

I will try to get around to creating a complete step by step example - but for now here is the overview.

You are going to want to create 2 presets:
- "Enable Look Around"
- "Disable Look Around"

Each preset will contain two parameters:
- "System:Look Around Enabled"
- A key mapping of your choice which invokes the OTHER preset (this creates the toggle)

Notes:
- When you create a preset the current value of any given parameter is used, so make sure your camera is setup how it should be after the preset were to be invoked
- For the toggle/cycle presets to be setup you need to create a dummy preset first so you can map the "Apply Preset: xxx" action to something and then go and overwrite the dummy.

Hope this helps.

 

[Trent Lillehaugen]

Trent, this whole feature is really exciting and powerful and gives so many possibilities I needed and wanted so baldy. Thanks for the awesome work!

Thanks. We designed the preset system in part so that users can customize their cameras in ways that we may not have anticipated. I'm glad to see so many people using and enjoying this feature.

After switching changing and working on presets etc. I would really love to have an "EDIT" function for already programmed presets... for example if you missed to insert a certain function or key to the preset you're forced to do it all over again instead of just adding it to the existing preset. This would help out very much during the trial and error phase of programming these.

Agreed, an edit or modify existing preset feature is needed and it is on "the list" of things to do.

oh and one thing I don't quite understand: what is the PowerUp camera event meant to be for? As soon as it's powered up it's in preview mode, isn't it? Or is it being overwritten only as soon as I switch to playback and back to preview?

On startup both the "On Startup" and "On Enter Preview" presets will be applied (in that order). The simple use case that would take advantage of all 3 auto presets would be:
- On Startup: a large set of default settings you want each time you power up. This could include framerate, format, RC, etc.
- On Enter Preview: your preview/record key mappings
- On Enter Playback: you playback key mappings

In this case, there may be things you want applied on startup but not every time you switch from playback to preview (like format and framerate).

PS. is there a (vague) time frame for the offline programming tool you can tell us?

Not yet. I would expect an in camera "edit" feature first.

 

[Trent Lillehaugen]

Hmmm.... I can't seem to save current set Focus Mode in a Preset!? trying to switch between single and confirm... !?!? But this is working with the default config.
What do I have to add to the preset to get this done?

I'm out of the office until Wednesday but I will test this out when I get back. The parameter should be "Project: AF Settings". If this parameter doesn't work let me know so we can look into it.

 

[Patrick Grossien]

Trent, thanks so much for the fast and extensive response! I'll check on the AF settings and will get back to you.

 

[Patrick Grossien]

You are going to want to create 2 presets:
- "Enable Look Around"
- "Disable Look Around"

Each preset will contain two parameters:
- "System:Look Around Enabled"
- A key mapping of your choice which invokes the OTHER preset (this creates the toggle)

Notes:
- When you create a preset the current value of any given parameter is used, so make sure your camera is setup how it should be after the preset were to be invoked
- For the toggle/cycle presets to be setup you need to create a dummy preset first so you can map the "Apply Preset: xxx" action to something and then go and overwrite the dummy.

For the ones who want to have this done, I mapped mine to soft UI key A (top left)

They are called
LookAround OFF.preset
LookAround ON.preset
(for the sake of having them listed below each other)

I attached a zip file of these for you guys to use.

 

[Patrick Grossien]

I'm out of the office until Wednesday but I will test this out when I get back. The parameter should be "Project: AF Settings". If this parameter doesn't work let me know so we can look into it.

Ok, yes, I did include that parameter. It doesn't change the Focus Mode settings to the one selected during the preset save, but stays in the active one. So when I switch, nothing changes.
For the sake of completion, if you need these, I attached my presets (SH Movie/Still Select : switching 5K stills to 4K motion presets)

 

[Trent Lillehaugen]

Ok, yes, I did include that parameter. It doesn't change the Focus Mode settings to the one selected during the preset save, but stays in the active one. So when I switch, nothing changes.For the sake of completion, if you need these, I attached my presets (SH Movie/Still Select : switching 5K stills to 4K motion presets)

Thanks, we will take a look at this.

Edit: Can you test this version.

 

[Yousuf Abbasi]

Trent, can RED MX users expect this type of SW update soon?