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CRANK 2 and the need for SCARLET

In this month's HDVideoPro they interviewed Neveldine and Taylor, and they said they were great cameras.

They showed this rig that they built for the HF10's, and it looked great, basically it was 7 HF10's focused on the same focal point on this crescent rail.

They said they'll be doing a lot of low-budget "bullet time" effects with it, since the editor can either combine an image from the cameras and cut back and forth between them, or just use one frame from each camera in sequence, and they raved about the flexibility of having so many small cameras.

They said for the film they used 15 HF10's, 5 XHA1's, and 1 Sony EX1 for a slow-motion scene.

They said they shot with gain set to zero, with the Cine gamma and cine matrix set on, but with all of the other settings set to zero or default, with a 1/1000 - 1/2000 shutter speed for almost everything.

He also said that they didn't even really use any 35mm adapters or anything, just the stock lens, with a Canon Wide Angle lens screwed onto the front.

For post, they moved it all to HDCAM after they were done filming, uploaded it into the system from that, synched it up with the audio they recorded from their external recorders, then just edited with it.

He said they went with a very deep focus for this, and did a lot of sharpening and color correction in post, but otherwise he was very happy with the cameras since they were able to put them everywhere, and get the scene from multiple angles at the same time, since the cameras are so small that it's almost impossible to see them even when they catch one another.
 
I downloaded the 1080p trailer off Quicktime and did a frame-by-frame. It looks far better than it has any right to. I'm very impressed.

It inspires me to do more with the tools I'm given. And to do INFINITELY more whenever I work with RED.
 
WesScog said:
In this month's HDVideoPro they interviewed Neveldine and Taylor, and they said they were great cameras.

They showed this rig that they built for the HF10's, and it looked great, basically it was 7 HF10's focused on the same focal point on this crescent rail.

They said they'll be doing a lot of low-budget "bullet time" effects with it, since the editor can either combine an image from the cameras and cut back and forth between them, or just use one frame from each camera in sequence, and they raved about the flexibility of having so many small cameras.

They said for the film they used 15 HF10's, 5 XHA1's, and 1 Sony EX1 for a slow-motion scene.

They said they shot with gain set to zero, with the Cine gamma and cine matrix set on, but with all of the other settings set to zero or default, with a 1/1000 - 1/2000 shutter speed for almost everything.

He also said that they didn't even really use any 35mm adapters or anything, just the stock lens, with a Canon Wide Angle lens screwed onto the front.

For post, they moved it all to HDCAM after they were done filming, uploaded it into the system from that, synched it up with the audio they recorded from their external recorders, then just edited with it.

He said they went with a very deep focus for this, and did a lot of sharpening and color correction in post, but otherwise he was very happy with the cameras since they were able to put them everywhere, and get the scene from multiple angles at the same time, since the cameras are so small that it's almost impossible to see them even when they catch one another.
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Gotta love these guys.

While most people are still chasing the film look and starving for shallow DOF they just get crazy and exacerbate the so called video look.

:violent: :rofl:
 
Something else worth mentioning is that the HF10 was often mounted at the end of a boom pole (like a mic) enabling them to get very unique shots. This is something I have been experimenting with at home but these guys have beaten me to the finish line and with spectacular effect.

also Barry Green started a great thread about the camera usage in this film over at DVXuser (link)
 
Have a look at this article:

http://www.movieline.com/2009/04/crank-2-directors-neveldinetaylor.php

Apparently they've been talking to RED about 3D. O rly??????

As an editor I've worked with awful looking film originated material, and awesome HDV footage. In my experience, the skill of the operator is much more relevant than the tools - something the camera geeks on here would do well to remember.

I often look at the RED camera numbers on here, and wonder how many of the owners thought buying a RED One would suddenly make them into great film-makers....
 
nice BTS pics
http://www.jfxonline.com/images/crank2/

their crazy rig
crank2cameras.jpg
 
I'm not much of a fan of the hyperkinetic style seen in Crank or Spun...but I really enjoyed Crank2. Oddly enough it was a "light" fun confection. I'm gonna have to check out Crank 1 again. Too bad it didn't connect at the box office.
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Are you kidding? WTF would they do this? Weren't they concerned about color correction? They had a big budget didn't they? They had to with Jason Statham... makes no sense... EX1 at least!?! Why?
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HDV is pretty underrated as a format in my opinion. The difference to XDCAM EX is small. XDCAM EX has more pixels, higher data rate at best quality - but the per-pixel compression ratio is about the same as with HDV. EX1 actually also has a shooting mode that's bit for bit the same data as HDV.

HDV:s compression artifacts tend to get exaggerated too - in real life, it's pretty rare to break the codec so badly that the artifacts are visible.

There's no difference in how the two formats can handle color correction (or, at least i haven't noticed any). Even in this regard, HDV isn't as bad as it's made out to be - as long as you use the right tools and know what you're doing.

See this for an example - i had a bit of fun with HDV footage vs. S16 mm film scan:

http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=13610#25
 
Joyfool said:
I'm not much of a fan of the hyperkinetic style seen in Crank or Spun...but I really enjoyed Crank2. Oddly enough it was a "light" fun confection. I'm gonna have to check out Crank 1 again. Too bad it didn't connect at the box office.
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Crank 2 has actually already made back almost twice it's budget (it was under 13 Million, and it's already made over 20 million.

And it still hasn't been released in Germany, which Crank 1 did very well in (it's best overseas numbers).

Plus, I think it's going to make way way more on DVD. Most of the people i've talked to said it's definitely "looks like a rental".
 
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