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Could this be True?

chuckt said:
Panasonic HPX300 is $48000 camera (body alone). Rents for $1200 /day.
1920x1080, 10-bit 4:2:2 color sampling . It uses a 2.2 million pixel 3-CCD block and records using the new AVC-intra codec to capture true native 1080p images at 24p, 25p & 30p frame rates. It can also record in DVCPRO HD.
This is a professional camera, used by videographers who make a living with it.

You cannot comapre this to RED, which is appropriately priced at $17500.
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Arri IIC, used for $2000 outperforms most modern digital cameras. Price tag is no valid sign for performance these days.

Hans
 
joelnet said:
Has anyone actually done a side by side test with RED vs. any decent camera?
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I did some indoor test charts with a Red and 8 Mpixel DSLR (Canon 20D) although it was very much a "measurement" session, I have no pretty pictures to compare by eye.

http://www.bealecorner.org/red/test-080108/index.html

I haven't analyzed the results because I'm waiting for firmware Build 15 which is supposed to be a significant change. But if you just want to know if Red is a serious camera and can it be used to make very high quality images, the answer should already be apparent from the work of many other people (yes, and yes).
 
May be but who cares the AJ-HPX3000 is an HD 10Bit 422 ENG camera.

The only RAW recording format of the RED One makes it a better camera... add all the other Red's futures and it is a total unfair comparison.
 
What I would like to see would be a comparision of the Dalsa Origin II/Evolution against the RED. Both shoot 4k, both RAW.... Dalsa at almost twice the Data size and on a single CCD chip.
 
Both shoot 4k, both RAW.... Dalsa at almost twice the Data size and on a single CCD chip.
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That would be a comparision! But also that would make no point since Red One is meant for both renting world and personal camera.

While i haven't notice of Dalsa cameras owned by privates. Do you?
 
Michele Gavazzeni said:
That would be a comparision! But also that would make no point since Red One is meant for both renting world and personal camera.

While i haven't notice of Dalsa cameras owned by privates. Do you?
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Nope,.... you can't buy the Dalsa unfourtantely, they use a business model similar to Panavision (rental only).... it's just maybe it would be worth renting a Dalsa (for certain projects) depending on how well it fairs against the RED. If there's no significant difference that it wouldn't really be worth it, but if there is a difference certain projects might call for the Dalsa.
 
chuckt said:
Panasonic HPX300 is $48000 camera (body alone). Rents for $1200 /day.
1920x1080, 10-bit 4:2:2 color sampling . It uses a 2.2 million pixel 3-CCD block and records using the new AVC-intra codec to capture true native 1080p images at 24p, 25p & 30p frame rates. It can also record in DVCPRO HD.
This is a professional camera, used by videographers who make a living with it.

You cannot comapre this to RED, which is appropriately priced at $17500.
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You must be joking.
:w00t:
 
I saw Dalsa footage recently (on HDCAM, unfortunately) on a Christie 2k. The short was bad and the cinematography was mediocre, but from what I could tell the camera was fantastic. Very, very nice image. Better than RED, from what I've seen, but then again it is an uncompressed RAW recording vs. compressed RAW recording. Dalsa's philosophy is very different from RED's - they want to take it slow, ensure everything is perfect, as opposed to forging ahead and trying anything. There's something to be said for both approaches.

Words in favour of Origin's image aside, I haven't tried Dalsa's RAW conversion software. I haven't seen any footage from it (except that once). I don't know what it would cost me to use one. I don't know about its workflow options.

It's not RED's RAW workflow that sets it apart (other cameras do that), it is its philosophy.
 
Andrew McCarrick said:
What I would like to see would be a comparision of the Dalsa Origin II/Evolution against the RED. Both shoot 4k, both RAW.... Dalsa at almost twice the Data size and on a single CCD chip.
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Wow I just realized I was way wrong about the Dalsa Camera data rate..... it's 400 MegaBytes where as the RED is megabits (about 200-300 Mb)..... so the Dalsa is a couple thousand times more data.
 
But that's over-inflated as they store 14bit data in 16bit words, so two of those bits are "blank".

If you want you can go to Dalsa website and download some images from the camera as 16bit Tiff. Take a look with the same level of scrutiny you do to RED images....

Graeme
 
chuckt said:
Panasonic HPX300 is $48000 camera (body alone). Rents for $1200 /day.
1920x1080, 10-bit 4:2:2 color sampling . It uses a 2.2 million pixel 3-CCD block and records using the new AVC-intra codec to capture true native 1080p images at 24p, 25p & 30p frame rates. It can also record in DVCPRO HD.
This is a professional camera, used by videographers who make a living with it.

You cannot comapre this to RED, which is appropriately priced at $17500.
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Guys, read through all of ChuckTs posts some day. It makes you wonder if he is a Sony/Panasonic dealer, or is just really anti-RED. Sorry Chuck, no offense, but I'm seeing a pattern. All well and good, and you're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd how blatant the attacks are. I could be wrong.
 
joelnet said:
Has anyone actually done a side by side test with RED vs. any decent camera?
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Hi,

Yes an A list DOP compared Red with an F23 from Sony, the Sony had a greater dynamic range.

The F23 body costs about 10 times as much as a Red.

Stephen
 
The Panasonic HPX3000 would be my next camera choice after the Red...in fact it may become my first as I'm really concerned about the post production workflow side of the Red at present + issues over audio noise and ease of use in the field.

At the end of the day we're all out to make a living here and time is money. Most of our work is for broadcast and will be screened at 1080 25p. Our clients i.e. the broadcasters are not going to pay me more for footage shot on a Red camera and there can be NO doubt that post is going to take a LOT longer on our Red. I'm NOT saying that we're going to cancel our Red order but I can see us needing a second camera for shooting a lot of our work that requires a quick turn around.

Anyone worked out how much longer Red footage is taking to post in comparison to HDCAM or DVC PRO HD?

I think if we could easily get a 1080P HD SDI version out of the Red camera then this would calm my fears over the lengthy post troubles.

Scott
 
stevesherrick said:
Guys, read through all of ChuckTs posts some day. It makes you wonder if he is a Sony/Panasonic dealer, or is just really anti-RED. Sorry Chuck, no offense, but I'm seeing a pattern. All well and good, and you're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd how blatant the attacks are. I could be wrong.
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I've been thinking, and I posted once about it, saying somethings up with chuck and his posts.....so i don't think you're wrong steve.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
I can render about 20 min of footage down to 1080p in one night. That's pretty good.

Jay
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Re: Scott...

I can render out 20 minutes of 1080P in 1 hour at Standard quality which, even though it's not the best looking image you can get from a RED, it looks better than anything I've shot on any other HD camera (Varicam/F900).
 
I think if we could easily get a 1080P HD SDI version out of the Red camera then this would calm my fears over the lengthy post troubles.

Scott
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OR 1080 scaled from the full sensor... like some of us have been clamoring for since day one.
Harry
 
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