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Consumer response to 4K

4K will take off if Apple gets behind it. The iPad retina has 2048x1536 and it's only 9.7 inches. Huge difference between the non-retina iPad 2 and the 3rd gen. If that Apple television ever comes out, and has 4K, that will ensure it takes off. Otherwise, I could see it being theater only.
 
4K will take off when Samsung and Sony launches their affordable 4K consumer TV's.
 
Not really. Panasonic, Samsung, Sony, have had huge losses in the TV market. If anyone can jumpstart the 4K revolution it's apple. Retina displays are a marketing genius. People upgrade their iDevices for more resolution, the same hasn't happened to TV's.... yet.....

Josh Snyder said:
4K will take off when Samsung and Sony launches their affordable 4K consumer TV's.
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In my opinion, just like High Definition content, The key will be the next Playstation and Xbox systems, and the introduction of 4K blu-rays. We will probably see a glimpse of these machines at the E3 show in 2013, followed by a launch next holliday Season (November?). Unfortunately the launch of these machines needs Killer software to come along, and I don't see any "killer app" on the horizon to push for consumer interest. Major games where released this year for this generation of home entertainment systems and they usually have a development cycle of 2 to 3 years. There's a very, very big risk Sony follows the fiasco of the PLaystation Vita, which is proving to be a major flop in sales. Also of concern is the lack of true 4K content ready for 4K Blu-ray. How many 4K mastered films are there? This could prove to be an opportunity for redusers if the path to produce 4K Blu-rays is easy and accessible. Realistically speaking, we might be really looking into 2014 for 4K Blu-Ray and the next generation of consoles. It would give time for sony to invest in 4K mastering to its major features of 2013, as well as the other major studios...
 
There is no question 4k (UHD) is the future. It's not a question of if people will embrace it. It's just a matter of when.

I agree that 4k game consoles will speed up adoption. It's clear that Playstation 4 will support 4k which means that most likely XBOX "720" will as well. Both consoles are expected to be on display at E3 in June. It seems pretty likely to me that this means there are 4k games in development already. These new consoles are expected to be out Fall 2013 or early 2014. I am sure Sony will come out with an affordable UHD TV when they launch the PS4.
 
Brandon J.F. said:
There is no question 4k (UHD) is the future. It's not a question of if people will embrace it. It's just a matter of when.
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I continue to insist that neither cable companies nor satellite companies have conquered the problem of even delivering 1080 HD with fewer compression artifacts and higher image quality. Bandwidth and economics continue to be major issues that will take years to be solved. 4K has no meaning if you don't have a convenient, affordable, fast method for distributing content to the mass-market.

I agree it will happen... someday. And so will magnetic air cars, monorails, and colonies on the moon. But I honestly don't think the mass market cares yet about 4K. Given the number of successful 2K films released this year -- including The Avengers and Skyfall-- I'm not convinced even Hollywood is totally enamored of 4K yet. I personally believe resolution is only one of many factors that determines picture quality, and I'm honestly doubtful that it's the single most important factor in the grand scheme of things. A crappy 4K monitor will not look as good as a great 2K monitor.
 
Marc Wielage said:
I continue to insist that neither cable companies nor satellite companies have conquered the problem of even delivering 1080 HD with fewer compression artifacts and higher image quality. Bandwidth and economics continue to be major issues that will take years to be solved. 4K has no meaning if you don't have a convenient, affordable, fast method for distributing content to the mass-market.

I agree it will happen... someday. And so will magnetic air cars, monorails, and colonies on the moon. But I honestly don't think the mass market cares yet about 4K. Given the number of successful 2K films released this year -- including The Avengers and Skyfall-- I'm not convinced even Hollywood is totally enamored of 4K yet. I personally believe resolution is only one of many factors that determines picture quality, and I'm honestly doubtful that it's the single most important factor in the grand scheme of things. A crappy 4K monitor will not look as good as a great 2K monitor.
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There are many 3D sets, and affordable, on the market, and 3d broadcast is practically non existent (only a couple of niche channels). Broadcast is not mandatory for 4K implementation, in my view.
 
Yeah it doens't really matter if 4K tv's come if there is no 4K blu-ray players or game consoles that support the resolution. What do they do with 4K tv if nothing on the consumer market outputs it. Though, many people started buying 1080p tv's when they came and then watched SD tv programming from them. So you never know.
 
Mark Toia said:
The big thing that is slowing down TRUE 4k as being the next best thing... Is internet bandwidth, satellite and antenna based compression.

But it will come... when? thats the question.
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Surprised the conversation hasn't turned into a discussion of the National Broadband Network being rolled out in Australia. With 93% of the country's population receiving a fibre connection to the premises, which includes provisioning for multicasting tech - I don't think it will be that long at all until we have the ability to stream 4k images to the home. Whether any providers step up to the plate is another issue, but at least the technology to do so will be there.

Assuming, of course, the current implementation of the NBN ends up going ahead if our Govt changes hands next year... but that's another issue again.
 
Australian broadcasters are not taking HD at all seriously.
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Absolutely.

Wonderfull HD sporting subjects, shot with HD cameras with HD lenses and mixed in HD OB trucks watched on HD TVs by the consumer, but broadcasters throttle the otherwise complete chain with low res transmission.

In some cases as a ruse to get viewers to opt for subscription satellite HD broadcasts of the same sporting events!


Mike Brennan
 
Sergio Perez said:
There are many 3D sets, and affordable, on the market, and 3d broadcast is practically non existent (only a couple of niche channels). Broadcast is not mandatory for 4K implementation, in my view.
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3D has nothing to do with my statement -- it's already still-born, in terms of consumer products. 4K won't get anywhere as a mass-market consumer product unless and until there's a way to deliver 4K content inexpensively and very quickly to consumers, and we're years away from that.

I have absolutely no problem with 4K in theaters, and unquestionably, shooting at 4K or 5K is a huge advantage for many aspects of filmmaking. But my gut feeling is that people are trying to provide a solution for a need that isn't really there yet.

BTW, just tonight, I saw an American network TV commercial for Ritz crackers... in 4x3 standard-def. You gotta ask yourself: if national ad agencies can't even get it together to make ads in HD, what are the chances that they'll ever deliver commercials in 4K? We're seeing a replay of the transition to color from 1965-1968, where for three or four years, every other TV commercial or program was telecast in B&W. (The U.K. took even longer to switch over.) Color did not happen overnight. Stereo sound for broadcast television -- which is tinkertoys to do by comparison -- took more than ten years to implement for all American shows. Digital HD broadcasts took over in June of 2009, and 3-1/2 years later, we're still seeing tons of 4x3 uprezzed content on American TV, some of which is brand-new!

Given a huge improvement in the economy and vast amounts of disposable income for average viewers, I have no doubt that bandwidth will eventually go up exponentially to the point where we'll literally have 200 channels of 4K TV someday. I look forward to that happening. But anytime soon? Very doubtful.
 
Josh Snyder said:
Yeah it doens't really matter if 4K tv's come if there is no 4K blu-ray players or game consoles that support the resolution. What do they do with 4K tv if nothing on the consumer market outputs it. Though, many people started buying 1080p tv's when they came and then watched SD tv programming from them. So you never know.
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Playstation 4 will support 4k. It should debut in June and come out in the fall. I'm sure Sony will offer some method of getting 4k movies like they already do with their 85" 4k UHD TV. The next generation Xbox will be out around the same time and should support 4k as well.

And there will be REDRAY / ODEMAX :)
 
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Brad Allen said:
Surprised the conversation hasn't turned into a discussion of the National Broadband Network being rolled out in Australia. With 93% of the country's population receiving a fibre connection to the premises, which includes provisioning for multicasting tech - I don't think it will be that long at all until we have the ability to stream 4k images to the home..
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Hmmm. There really should be some sort of international treaty that prohibits two different countries having the same name. :furious3:
Which "Australia" are you talking about? It sure as hell ain't the one I currently inhabit.....
 
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