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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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My daughter is in high school. They assembled all the classes in the auditorium to watch the inauguration as it was seen as a great historical moment in our US history. After Bush got on the helicopter and he slowly rose over the city in his final departure from DC, the kids spontaneously broke out into song...NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA, HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE...
 
ken willinger said:
my daughter is in high school. They assembled all the classes in the auditorium to watch the inauguration as it was seen as a great historical moment in our us history. After bush got on the helicopter and he slowly rose over the city in his final departure from dc, the kids spontaneously broke out into song...na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye...
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aaaaand: roflcopter!!!!
 
Clint Johnson said:
He has said nothing that hasn't been said a thousand times before... what sets him apart from the Republicans and Democrats before him is that he has better speech writers and recites what they wrote with greater eloquence.
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There's no denying the truth of that, but it's also true that Obama will be far less likely than either Bush or McCain to engage in aggressive war; far more likely to appoint judges who protect individuals from the abuses of the state (and big business); and far more likely to allocate at least some of the national wealth to providing basics like health-care, which currently bankrupts many Americans and ranks the U.S. at the bottom of industrial democracies in health care.

These are, for millions of people, here and abroad, life and death differences. It's lamentable that Obama, far from being a "Marxist" as some Republicans laughably charged, is right of center by EU standards, and that the acceptable range of political debate in the U.S. is so much narrower than in most other industrial democracies. And it's amazing to think that no Democratic presidential candidate in the U.S. has ever advocated for what are taken to be basic human/worker rights in other countries -- universal single-payer health care, guaranteed vacations, sick pay, a livable minimum wage, day-care, etc.

But one takes what one can get.
 
Clint Johnson said:
Governing is the act of forcing your will on the population at large and to even consider running for office requires a superiority complex. This isn't a judgement on anyone's actual versus perceived superiority. You may well be the smartest person in the land, but if you didn't believe in your heart that you know better than everyone else, why would you seek the power to force everyone else to your way of thinking? In a monarchy or dictatorship, this megalomania and superiority complex can be in full display as a useful tool to instill an inferiority complex in those you wish to control. In a democracy, you need the ability to conceal this core personality trait from others or you will never get elected.
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A little narrow minded, perhaps? Could there possibly be intelligent people who are confident in their abilities, but will also seek counsel and help from other intelligent, experienced, able people? Or did I just witness Obama appoint himself to every cabinet position available?

Clint Johnson said:
There is one undeniably great thing that Obama has accomplished and that is the very act of getting elected itself.
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Although filled with good intention, this is a bit revealing as racist.

Your comments reveal more truth about yourself, Clint, then it does any sliver of truth about Obama.
 
Better than Bush, better than McCain. But since this day the biggest arms dealer in the world if we lay it down to facts.

This hype is a bit funny in the end. Do you guys really think he will stop arms deliveries to Isreal worth 3 billion a year of US tax payers money to end the governmental terror in Gaza as we have seen it just a few days ago for instance?
 
Clint Johnson said:
Governing is the act of forcing your will on the population at large and to even consider running for office requires a superiority complex. This isn't a judgement on anyone's actual versus perceived superiority. You may well be the smartest person in the land, but if you didn't believe in your heart that you know better than everyone else, why would you seek the power to force everyone else to your way of thinking? In a monarchy or dictatorship, this megalomania and superiority complex can be in full display as a useful tool to instill an inferiority complex in those you wish to control. In a democracy, you need the ability to conceal this core personality trait from others or you will never get elected.
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I'm not saying you're wrong about all politicians, I'm saying your wrong about some politicians. Some view elected office as a public service, especially at a local and regional level.
 
President Obama - on RED (well, he hadn't been elected yet, still a Senator)

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Original Thread:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17414&highlight=obama&page=2

Very exciting times ahead...

The man has changed...
 
This conversation is so deluded.

"Barack has already put together a well regarded cabinet and I believe he's done it in record time."

Well regarded by Karl Rove, for starters. Cheney liked it too.

You guys have bought a bill of goods. There is no real "change" on the table. If there was, Bush and company would already be under arrest for war crimes.

War crimes are not war crimes when American "leaders" commit them.

That is not about to change.
 
That is one issue we are facing. Not that I am belittling that issue. You are selling your own "bill of goods" with your need to cloud and dismiss via a second hand association to Rove and Cheney.

Was I happy when Bush got elected? No. I however didn't attack him until he did something worth of my animosity. I can not say that I feel you share my objectivity. Now I don't want you to be me. More then one me does not sound like a party.

I believe and advocated for Bush to be removed from office for what he did. Give this man a chance to be judged for what he will do. Then let the chips fall where they may.
 
mail4joeg said:
War crimes are not war crimes when American "leaders" commit them.
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The guy's been in office 2 days and he's already done this:

The first executive order lays out Obama’s ethics rules. Executive branch employees will be prohibited from accepting any gifts from lobbyists. Anyone who works for the administration will not be allowed to lobby the executive branch for as long as Obama is president. It also prohibits lobbyists hired by his administration from dealing with agencies on matters they lobbied about for two years.

The second order revokes a 2001 executive order signed by former President George W. Bush that limited release of former presidents’ records, and replaces it with new language aimed at more transparency. Bush’s order gave former presidents broad authority to claim executive privilege and to designate others, including family members who survive them, to exercise executive privilege on their behalf. Obama’s order revokes the survivor provision and gives ex-presidents less leeway to withhold records.

In remarks prior to the signing, Obama said, “For a long time now, there’s been too much secrecy in this city. This administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information but with those who seek it to be known.”

At the ceremony, Obama also signed a memorandum freezing pay for all of his staff making more than $100,000.

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Then he's gone on to order the closure of Guantanamo AND making the questioning of detainees follow the Army Field Manual which complies with the Geneva Conventions. The last administration called the Geneva Conventions quaint.

And you're complaining? Dude. What do you want? The tooth fairy?

Why not give the guy a year before you start calling him "The Old Boss"?
 
Jason Ing said:
[ Originally Posted by Clint Johnson View Post
Governing is the act of forcing your will on the population at large and to even consider running for office requires a superiority complex. This isn't a judgement on anyone's actual versus perceived superiority. You may well be the smartest person in the land, but if you didn't believe in your heart that you know better than everyone else, why would you seek the power to force everyone else to your way of thinking? In a monarchy or dictatorship, this megalomania and superiority complex can be in full display as a useful tool to instill an inferiority complex in those you wish to control. In a democracy, you need the ability to conceal this core personality trait from others or you will never get elected.]

A little narrow minded, perhaps? Could there possibly be intelligent people who are confident in their abilities, but will also seek counsel and help from other intelligent, experienced, able people? Or did I just witness Obama appoint himself to every cabinet position available?
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They are confident in their abilities and they will accept counsel from others who agree with them... they will then weigh the options and decide for everyone else what is best for them. That is the very point of politics; if everyone agreed with the politician there would be no need for a governing body since people would just do "the right thing". Since people insist on being recalcitrant and having different ideas, the politician has to step in and force them to behave.

Now I happen to believe that the government needs to use force to keep people from doing some things. Murder, thievery, rape and slavery are all bad things and I would support the use of force to intercede against them. But the number of things that I am willing to use force to intercede against is limited.

I think that the difference between me and most people is that I understand that the foundation of the state, of every action it takes, is the threat of great physical violence to those who oppose it. That is what the police, military and judicial system is for.

Even when it does what is necessary, coercion and violence are ugly instruments and it helps to keep that in mind when you want the government to force others to do something you think is right. That "something" had better be pretty damn important because the state is a horrible, nasty instrument that should be used with great trepidation and loathing.

And to tell someone you are doing this to them for their own good is a foul thing indeed.

Jason Ing said:
[Originally Posted by Clint Johnson View Post
There is one undeniably great thing that Obama has accomplished and that is the very act of getting elected itself.]

Although filled with good intention, this is a bit revealing as racist.

Your comments reveal more truth about yourself, Clint, then it does any sliver of truth about Obama.
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So I'm a racist for saying that; after generations of struggle toward freedom and equality... it might inspire a lot of people of African descent to have the people of the United States of America place their trust in Barack Obama to hold the highest office in the land? With one of the highest voter turn outs in living memory?

You figure that I'm a racist for stating that it is a very good thing that this has come to pass, that it is a significant step that will not be erased by whatever he accomplishes or fails to do in office?

I think we have different definitions of racism. I got mine from a dictionary... not sure where you got yours.
 
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