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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Confessions...

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The last time I shot on film we lost whole reels to lab problems. So, I'm happy to accept your "imperfect" solution. And I never whip-pan, so no worries on that count.

Jim, you often talk about how small the company is. Would it help, and be affordable, to get more staff so you can all relax a tiny bit more, and get things out the door faster? I know you're an exceptionally successful person, so this could easily sound patronising, but it's not meant to. I just wonder if running Red might be easier on you if it was a tiny bit bigger. Not Sony size. Just a handful of extra people. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
karapetkov said:
This might be a lame question, but:

Couldn't the skew be un-skewed in post? At the cost of some image degradation?
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One of the shots demonstrating this problem was shot *through* the windows of a train rushing past really fast. Meaning what was seen through the windows/directly behind the train in the background was not skewed, but the train in the foreground was. Not likely you can fix something like this in post...! Camera pans, maybe.

On another note, I do think Red are doing a terrible job of expectations management. (quite apart from publicity, which they obviously excel at...!) I'm told my camera should be ready in february. I don't really believe it, and honestly I'm fine with it - I'd rather it be good and ready by the time I get it, but I do think they should give us more conservative estimates, so when they DO ship, they look like they are ahead of schedule, or meet it.

Working in ads, you learn to always give yourself a buffer zone for delivery in case something goes wrong and it takes longer than you expected (hey, you can always use that extra time to improve things anyway, so you aren't cheating anyone...!) But the result is, you always look good, because you always make good on your promises.

Of course if they do actually have my camera ready when they said they will, I won't be complaining :)

R.
 
I want my damn 4K projector NOW!

I want GOOD, SOLID, SHARP primes NOW!


I would not trade the "Red Ride" we have had so far for anything in the world.

We are so excited about the future of filmmaking and the technologies that will grow in, and around the Red camp. RED is game changing.

I know you are frustrated. I am pretty sure you know that comes automatically with just trying to do what so many said could not be done.

But I hope, with all sincerity, that are also PROUD.

We are personally completely happy with our cameras.

I am behind you and your company 150% until you retire. And I do not see that happening for ... a while.
 
Jim,

I just got my hands on Sonic Films first camera yesterday so it's hard for me to find any harsh words for Red at this time. It's a great piece of kit and feels like a battering ram it's that solid. Any improvements that you can do for it will only enhance it.

Anyone who hasn't had the chance to actually play with the thing is in for a treat when they open their boxes. I'll be sure to write up my first impressions later when I've had a little longer to play with it but so far I've been more than impressed.

Good work - But work harder :)

Paul
 
The first production manager that hire me as an assistant said me, first sentence: "If I ask you to do something, don't ask me when... the answer will be always YESTERDAY!"

... so, I'm cash ready and you lazy guys?
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Where are my babies? Are you sleeping?
I WANT MY REDs NOW!

Whatever... it's just a not perfect camara....
 
Joking.... Thanks a lot for the effort, I'll wait my turn, apparently quiet on this forum...
where my girl doesn't post what she thinks about me & RED!
 
Jim, thanks for your honesty on this. It is greatly appreciated.

My concerns lie not with the camera, but the accessories.
For me, one of the things that made this camera so revolutionary were the accessories your company promised. The HD EVF, the 320GB REDDRIVE and the Nikon/Cannon Lens mounts.

This made the RED a camera ideal for many varied purposes (not least documentary work). Without them the RED is still an amazing camera but some of it's potential is definitely lost.

Getting the accessories finished and delivered along with the cameras would make me a very happy man.
 
Jim, thank you.
It has been a fun ride, and I think we all feel like we're part of something special.
Not perfect. Of course. New companies and their debut products rarely are. Lots of Hollywood cinematographers and camera operators resisted using the early Arri II cameras, because it had a spinning shutter, tiny through-the-lens eyepiece (instead of the parallex-corrected viewing screen of the Mitchells) and a different lens mount. Now today, where is Mitchell and where is Arri?
When the early Toyota and Datsun (now Nissan) cars first came to the states, they were laughed at. Ford and GM buyers thought they were cheap tin cans with shoddy workmanship. What about the car buyers of today? How about stodgy IBM, giving away the OS business to a goofy little company called Microsoft, and sure that they would crush upstart Apple in the process? How many computers today run Windows and OS X versus IBM's OS2?
I could go on but we all get the point. Industries change. Business models change. Innovative products are sloppy in the beginning, then mature, and are then themselves replaced. We are all happy to own an innovative, if unfinished product.
Now having said that, WHERE'S MY CAMERA??? ;)
Cheers,
Harry
 
Harry is right, there is certainly something special and a degree of passion/enthusiasm that I for one haven't found anywhere else while researching what camera to get. Certainly isn't boring.

Khristian said:
i can imagine getting stopped in the streets having random conversations with cinematographers ...a sort of secret Red society code.."Yes, i belong to the Red Brotherhood!, i am no# 2227"
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Suggested 5th movie concept - Indy Jones and the Red Brotherhood

Dr Jones must pass three trials before getting his Red One.

1. The penitent film-maker must wait patiently for his turn in line.

2. J-A-N-N-A-R-D (Don't forget about the "J")

3. Getting past the Lion's Head is all part of the ride :biggrin:

...Its past my bedtime, that's my excuse...and I want one of those T-shirts as well.
 
Draegar said:
1. The penitent film-maker must wait patiently for his turn in line.

2. J-A-N-N-A-R-D (Don't forget about the "J")

3. Getting past the Lion's Head is all part of the ride :biggrin:
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In Latin, Jannard beginsh with an "I"!
 
Jim,

Very well said bravo!

My 10% is down if you need more of a down payment to get my camera out the door just ask!
If you need more good Engineers just ask.. I would be glad to help get those cameras out the door..especially if it gets my camera to me faster!
Here’s an idea from days gone past….A barn raising…..That’s of course when neighbors and friends pitched in to help build a barn in a few days…I’m in….anyone else?

Enjoy the CES and call me when you return !
 
I have told to my RED CHINESEs in the RED MAP that we knew the RED Ones " No Perfect " from DAY ONE.

Are SONY / Panasonic / JVC are Perfect ? ?? The answer is No to all the RED ones holders ( We are just only 4,000 Brave Red ones holders in the world )

Cheers,

STEWART
 
harryclark said:
How about stodgy IBM, giving away the OS business to a goofy little company called Microsoft,
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Hi,

IBM had their own operating system, Microsoft was a cheaper option which one the game.

Stephen
 
It´s the way it is. No one is forced to buy Red. For those of us who placed an order, I think we´knew what we´ve been up to, accepted the flaws and shifted delivery dates and are proud to be part of this. Patience is the keyword. At the end of the journey, I´m convinced, Red will kick ass. And the industry knows it. You should have seen the Arri guys faces at IBC, visiting the Red booth...
 
I admit that the delay has been disappointing though believe it has had benifits to end result. But I am still up for the ride of my life. Even if a 4K display is going to break the bank.

Though it leads to a questions, with the transition from beta testers to a larger user base I would like to hear from Red Digital Cinema as what are the most effective ways that the end user can help in improving the RED One camera and workflow? As more red one camera's ship is there going to be a way of obtaining clearer information via "service bulletins" or "FYI eg. instances of xyz have been seen" keeping user/owners informed? What will help in freeing up the time of the RED team to continue improving camera firmware and workflow?

I am grateful for the knowledge gained from the forum users. But in the future I hope to be using my time using Red One then searching as what to look out for in each firmware build or software update.

David
 
I'm so excited a drooling to get my camera! and i echo the thoughts of others that if what i've seen and heard is what you are unhappy with from a "gotta fix it" standpoint, then we are in for an amazing ride and i bought my ticket a year ago and havent regretted it since. you make the little guy feel like the big guy who can do anything and will.

thanks for leveling the playing feel and even laying some new sod!

jason
 
Our body is full of " RED Blood " and little Hurts are OK.
No Pain no Gain. May I ask all RED ones owners / holders that why we need Perfect ? There were NO PERFECT things in the world.

Stew....
HKG/CHINA


Jannard said:
OK. We are guilty. The RED ONE is not perfect. We are struggling with lots of things. And the "we are only in this two years" only goes so far. We can't use that excuse anymore. Don't buy it.

Here are just some of the reasons NOT to buy a RED ONE.

1. It appears that we are just coming out of beta-camera. The boot problems are gone. Most features are enabled... but you can still find stuff that isn't right or isn't finished. While we are solving problems everyday, the RED ONE is just "almost". Definitely NOT perfect.

2. Workflow. While we have a great relationship with Apple, our Avid workflow needs help. It is not automatic and won't be for many months (not years). REDCINE does rock. And it gets better everyday, but it isn't perfect yet. Transcodes are slow. And the fact the Graeme has reduced render times dramatically is great but it does not change the fact the we can get better. Look for Build 78. It is great. But not perfect.

3. Skew. We have more than film. Not much more, but more. We posted this a long time ago, but it bears repeating. While much better than almost every other CMOS sensor, it is there and if you whip-pan, you will see it more than a film camera. Most don't think it is an issue, but if you want to make it one... you can.

4. Meeting schedules. We are not meeting schedules as well as we would like. While we are doing the best we can, and have begun shipping again... we are behind. It is frustrating. I understand. You should complain. If it was my money, I would be be impatient. Keep posting that you want your camera NOW!

The RED ONE is not perfect. The above reasons are just a few of many. RED Digital is not perfect. We are building a camera company from scratch. It is tough as a m%^&*@fu&^%r. Not what we expected. But we are awake. Alive. And more dedicated than anyone you have ever met to deliver what you want and need. We are a small team trying to slay the giant. You have the right to be nervous. We are. We are so nervous that none of us can sleep. But you will have to kill us to stop us. If you bring up a problem, we will listen and get on it like a cheap suit. We have. We will. We always will.

We are our competitions worst nightmare. We will keep coming. Charlie Manson doesn't know the meaning of obsessed.

We are a patient customer's best friend. We will not forget you. We will make you happy whatever it takes. If we don't, we deserve to fade into the sunset like a bunch of other companies that didn't measure up.

If you want perfect... or finished, don't buy RED. If you are brave and want the ride of your life... give us a call.

Jim
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Guilty Scarlet

Guilty Scarlet

Jannard said:
OK. We are guilty. The RED ONE is not perfect. We are struggling with lots of things. And the "we are only in this two years" only goes so far. We can't use that excuse anymore.
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Jim, great post.
Really like your way of thinking and doing.
The only thing that still confuses my is this one:
given all the things you all are struggling with, given all the problems and stress, why already thinking about Scarlet?
Isn't Scarlet going to absorb efforts and attention from the RED team?

Ok, i admit it. I'm Jealous of Scarlet.
I would like you guys to care only about our unborn REDs ... :love:
 
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