Computer for Scarlet

[Terry VerHaar]

It is easy to enable right click with the Magic Mouse, but if you don't know the trick, it's frustrating until you do. And I'm actually not sure how it works now with the trackpad on the MacBook Pro, which I think he has. So Mac users, have some sympathy for this guy - it gets you there a lot better than disdain.

Ironically enough, he said he was sad the Mac was not more unique and then complained about a difference, so I guess you really can't win.

He does acknowledge a critical point, that Macs are more reliable than PCs, much easier to get running and maintain. For those of us who are not lifetime PC fans, that's a pretty important difference well worth noting.

D

I have sympathy - but to complain about something because you don't know how to use it? And blame the machine? I suck at WIndows - not their fault.

 

[Sam Eilertsen]

It's not just a matter of knowing how to use it. I am a life-long Windows user, a major computer geek, and a computer science major, and I have had to deal with God-knows how many driver problems, crashes, viruses, file permissions problems, etc. I can fix them, but its a pain in the ass, and I'm ready to buy a Mac.

 

[Leo Sardello]

Seriously? A Mac vs. PC thread? It’s called personal preference. End of story.
:closed2ur0:

 

[Joseph Podlesnik]

I guess it is all in what you are used to. Trying to help my wife with her miserable work PC drives me nuts. I guess if resizing a window the way that you are used to is a key element of the UI for you, you'd best stick with your PC. :001_huh: (Personally, it never bothers me.)

I teach visual art online full-time and am resizing windows, tiling them, comparing online student works all the time, so this is a boon for me. I do use a college-issued MacBook Pro laptop when I'm away, but always look forward to getting home to my Intel i7 930, 12 GB RAM, Windows 7 pc.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

This is a hazardous road to tread - the conversation usually goes the route of a flame war, so I'll state my opinion and leave it at that.

In my personal experience, using Macs has been more enjoyable (personally and professionally) than using PCs. Unless you have a software allegiance that requires a PC and/or there is a shortage of funds, I recommend them.

Sorry, I didn't mean that, I'm a bit agnostic. I recognize that Apple has a reputation of better more well designed computers, but also all the downsides mentioned here, and all the rights management issues. Because of pricing/value for money, dsign and then intellectual property aggressive issues, I have resisted buying an Apple computer maybe from the 1970's. Long history, shame..

So, even though I would, if it just isn't there, why?

Apple has had a history of failing to penetration the mainstream market enough. Apart from IP issues, that may stop certain savvy people from recommending the system to many others, I actually there is a way they can succeed. Putting aside good ideas from years ago, like selling the OS for PC's and a PS3 version, even getting truly nicely speced machines (no touch screen, no 3D screen, no 4K 30 inch, usb3, extent of ESATA, user upgradeable internal drive bays, parts, and PCI_E (for mid range low powered GPU cards, and future lightpeak, and yes, bluray, ill buy software to run it, for a very small fraction of the cost of an Imac I would buy software to get a drive working, at probably many times the cost it would cost Apple to license it, they need to go towards more integration and lower end quality machines. For the price, throw in what is affordable to present quality value.

People are buying HDTV, they need media servers, they need TV's with media servers. Apple can sell versions of the Macmini that does everything, that can fit on the shelf, on the back (which is not a dead market, despite failures of companies that have made these, as they have been undernourished and lacked many media features, like bluray or the power to run the latest standard), or in a new standard mounting bay on TV's. They could sell it as a new Apple TV media center. They can sell actual quality TV's with the media centers included and upgradeable by replacing them. On the even lower end they can upgrade the Apple TV's as a media and gaming console (if they have not already) able to play IOS applications. All these machine would be able to play camera enabled motion games, with additional motion detecting external controls like the Wii or Sony systems. The macmini media center is for a computing and consumer media control (also usable externally with a monitor), the iOS Apple TV is a simpler option. The beauty of this is of course, that you are setting up a base to sell apps through the app store, that Sony or Microsoft would find hard to compete with unless they resorted to supporting the before mentioned HDTV media center docking bay. But for this market, integrated value, reliability and usability dominate, something the competition might find hard to compete with. Once a Apple system is in the new TV, or able to go in, why bother to buy a PC or console. A couple hundred million more users.

Anyway, that is the idea Steve.

Wayne

update: Rumor is that apple is coming out with tv's and laser projector and possibly smaller mac pro compatble with blade server rack (can we have 10 ). Thanks for listening Steve. Rumor is that two heads of certain companies get along and are talking simular products .

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Real tests that I've seen have shown USB 3.0 to be easily inferior to connections like E-SATA. Which, fortunately, the REDSTATION 1.8" provides.

Is this because of poor early implementation of the technology? Or is it because the technology just doesn't perform? I don't know. I assume we'll find out soon enough, though.

In the past USB, and even GBE, have suffered greatly because of poor drivers or hardware implementations, so it would not surprise me. It might be harsh, but some of this is just naive design.

Unless you are using something really fast, such as very few flash systems, you are not coming close to maxing out true USB3 (unless they stuffed up the implementation design, but what they were proposing before the standard sounded good). The fastest hard drives are over 100MB/s sustained I think. If you have raid then you might max it out. I suspect hard drives will double in speed sometime. At it's outer edge it might be substantially more, but I think less than 100% more. Reading or writing from on disk cache can benefit. I have not kept up with sata, have they released an upgrade that is as fast?

Looks like Intel is going to give us a 10GB/s copper version of light peak instead of optical (ironically, I thought USB3 was to originally scale to 10GB/s, then they were to go to optical). I would have hoped that they could have seen wisdom and rolled it into USB3, and then the optical.

I did an optical disk design concept years ago that can load gigabytes a per second sustained, and great random access speed. I think I might remember some company proposing some primitive form of this since. So, plenty of room for a faster interface in the future.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

If you want to look cool and write in the coffee shops, a Macbook Air would be much better than a MacBook Pro, because of the weight and bulk of the latter.

No thanks, too chicky, too delicate, too expensive and not practical enough for the price.

I absolutely loathe Windows with a passion, so I would never get a Windows machine even though they give you more power per dollar. My experience is that most Mac users, for all their grumbling, feel the same way.

Apple computers are much better designed than Windows machines, and Jonathan Ive's design team doesn't work for free. Also, I have noticed that if you try to compare Apples with machines of similar quality and specification, a lot of the price difference vanishes.

True enough David.

I would seriously consider a used Mac Pro. Depreciation on all computer equipment is murderous and you can routinely get the last generation Mac Pro for about half what you'd pay for a new one. Even as the owner of a brand new 27" iMac, I can tell you that's probably the better deal for editing RED footage, because the option of being able to incrementally buy more internal disk space and a RED Rocket is compelling.

But I am only buying if the new IMac can already do everything I want and does not need to be upgraded. You must admit, that the Imac 27 is so close to what is needed for, lets say in example, 4K footage, that if the next one was substantially more powerful (which seems likely, unless they make an absolute numb knuckles mistake of ditching the powerful DX11 level GPGPU card for the low powered DX10 level GPU in Sandybridge) and had a few features as usb3, esata, 4K/3D 2.5K at least, even with user accessible drives, then it would be a keeper. The answer is not wherever I buy a Imac or Mac Pro, it is wherever I buy Imac or a PC. If Apple under does the Imac, especially at that price, then I wont be buying Apple. To Apple I say, nice is not the same as functional. As a professional computer the existing top Imac does not cut it for my feild, as a media PC it does not cut it ether, and the Mac Mini does not cut it either. We are not going to be forced into buying a Mac Pro we don't want or need by inadequacy, or to use an media service when we want HDTV and and quality, actually owned, Bluray.

I bought my 27" iMac with Apple's SSD + hard drive package. It was a very expensive luxury to get the SSD. I really love being able to open applications almost instantly instead of having to wait around for interminable seconds, so I think for me the SSD has been worth it. But I have been disappointed by its speed in, for example, loading large Photoshop images. A big Photoshop image is no faster to load from a SSD than a spinning drive (I tried it on both). I would think that for all but the richest among us a SSD just is not cost-effective for R3D footage.

Only some flash drives are going to offer advantages over a 100mb/s+ external disk drive (right drive, right driver, right external and internal interface hardware) in loading a properly laid down image, where the lesser flash drives will, shine in random access seek times, such as your programs and the operating system. So putting key system files (as windows can automatically), the OS, key programs, caches, swap, buffers on these lesser flash drives might help unless they are even worse drives slower than the external drive and whatever else. Of course it is good to also distribute the various items among the drives, so things working in parallel can get a speed up by using the drives in parallel (most of the time an OS should keep things in memory, but in taxing workloads this breaks down).

Apple's 27" monitor is stunning, but non-Apple monitors are significantly less expensive. Consider buying a dual 23" monitor setup on a Mac Pro - that will cost you about $400-500 instead of $1,000 for a single 27". You can get up to six monitors on a Mac Pro and of course they are getting cheaper every year.

I have to budget for 4K monitor, as yet no mention of much in 4K TV or monitor this year, but if Apple has sense they should have it. Red also claimed to come out with cheap monitors, cheap means as much as I pay for a cheap 30 inch 2560*1440 or so monitor today, not compared to an overpriced $50-100K cinema screen. Heres hopping for $2K or less Red 4K 30 inch monitor (stop laughing you guys I can hear you now) .

Six monitors might be overkill, I am likely to have only a two monitor combination, one being 4K, the second one can be very cheap.

Difficult as it is to do, I would suggest saving your pennies for your main machine as long as possible. If you have the itch to spend, scratch it by buying an Air and start writing. The longer you can hold off on your main machine, the more technology will advance and the better your editing experience is going to be.

Have been for years (there were a few coming technologies that disappeared, or got delayed, along the way).

Hope that helps.

Thanks David

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Hi Liam (and hi to the rest of the forum as it's my first post)

Back on topic, I'm currently using a new iMac quad core. I don't have hard numbers but I feel I get similar performance to a MacPro that I was using last year (a purely subjective stance). I have no scope to purchase my own Pro this year but I really really hope to put the iMac through its paces with Scarlet footage before the end of the summer!

Matt

Welcome Matt, thanks. Can you tell us of your experience with Redone 4K footage, what can and can't you do in native real time, and otherwise how does it work? This will give us some idea how the new machine should be able to handle the fixed scarlet.


Thanks


Wayne.

 

[Matt.Ryan]

Welcome Matt, thanks. Can you tell us of your experience with Redone 4K footage, what can and can't you do in native real time, and otherwise how does it work?

Hi Wayne,

Unfortunately, beyond playing with the Scarlet clip in RedCine-X, to date I have no experience of working with Red footage. It's all been mostly XDCAM-EX. If I get my hands on some Red One material anytime soon I will of course let you know how I get on with the iMac.

Matt

 

[Wayne Morellini]

You seem to be trying to find the cheapest way to do something in an industry which is not cheap.

I think you need both. A Macbook Pro and a Mac Pro. Because you are talking about two separate jobs. An on-set DIT setup is different to an edit suite.

You need the laptop on set for transferring media - the 17" is the popular one to go with because it's the only one with the express card slot.

Then you need a Mac Pro for editing. A laptop (or an imac) is built differently to a Mac Pro. It is built for portability. It isn't designed to be switched on for 15 hours a day working away at processor and drive intensive operations. It hasn't got the same cooling as a Mac Pro. It doesn't have any kind of expandability. I'd say that if you're working on anything close to broadcast work you need at minimum - a recent Mac Pro, a Kona 3, 2x 23" computer displays, a calibrated 23" HD-SDI monitor, a mixer, a pair of speakers and a RAIDed hard drive.

Sorry, I was going to combine my reply to your post with another similar post.

To answer your first line, a light showing the way for others looking for a cheap solution. There will be plenty of people wanting a cheap solution, and once we establish it, others can benefit from the information.

I'm not worried about the onset situation for what I am doing (the level).

About the expandability and equipment, see my other replies. This will mainly be for documentaries, on your feet events, some local commercials hopefully, and some small productions,and maybe some reporting.

Your comment about cooling is good, we get close to 100 degrees here at times, aircon only goes so far. The red rocket thing I think is wrong, GPU software is the answer, that can drastically lower CPU heat, hopeful Red can implement this. People may not realize, but what you can get working efficiently on GPU's (progressively more and more, not talking about what is used but can be used) can be many times more efficient in terms of power consumption and heat production. What I heard that Red has done with the Epic Scarlet FPGA's is wonderful, trendy, but not necessarily the easiest/quickest way to do it, I would have investigated General Purpose GPU processing. In the original DIY Digital Cinema Camera projects that inspired Jim to start Red, I repeatedly warned people against going the FPGA route, it was too complex and would take too long, but they did, and nothing ever came out of it and it disappeared into a thick haze (some people were acting thick, in matter of fact, virtually everything I warned any of them about came true to the time and as predicted, complete sidetracked waste of a couple of four years in that respect). We lost the low cost manufacturer that was to release a low cost HD camera for us around 2005, as the group went with the more expensive competition, the only cameras that came through in those days was made by people that were not acting so, so.

But with the present design, Red has the advantage of a clearer path to custom silicon, and that is potentially lower powered and cost than GP-GPU processing. So, Jim has deep pockets enough to afford it, a vision and a plan, and as it is by accounts working and out in time (quick enough for market time) it works out better in the end.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Hi Wayne,

Unfortunately, beyond playing with the Scarlet clip in RedCine-X, to date I have no experience of working with Red footage. It's all been mostly XDCAM-EX. If I get my hands on some Red One material anytime soon I will of course let you know how I get on with the iMac.

Matt

Thanks Matt.

 

[David Rasberry]

I can share some experiences with Redcine and the X version
My platform is a 2.1Ghz Intel Core 2 duo Toshiba laptop, two years old.
4GB ram, 2 x 200GB hard drives and ATI 3470 GPU with 256MB. Vista 64 bit.
The original Redcine V20 something would play 2k clips realtime and 4k clips at about 16fps at 1/4 res setting.
The first version of RC-X I loaded was 54.x last February. It would only play 4k at about 4fps at 1/4 res. I had to drop to 1/16th to get real time.
The current V356E I loaded last weekend will buffer and play 4k real time at 1/8th res, and plays the Scarlet 3k clip real time at 1/4 res. 1/4 res is as high as the clip view window will visibly resolve on my 1440 x 900 display, higher resolution settings produce no visible difference.
The earlier versions would not export footage at all or would crash. 356E exports 3k full resolution highest quality debayer 16bit tiffs at a bit more than 1 second per frame. Slightly slower for a 1080p full quality debayer downscale. Haven't tried exporting to other formats yet. QT export requires the pro version of Quicktime, I only have the player installed. So far it is stable and responsive, making applied corrections to the clips in near real time.
On original Red One M clips the difference in quality with each software upgrade is pretty amazing. My reference clip is a hand held night shot of the Shibuya crossing in Tokyo posted at the now defunct Red Relay site by Paul Leeming. It was a build 17 clip. In the original Redcine the blue channel noise was very bad, large grainy blocks. Now it has a very fine grain like texture to the noise with little difference between color channels and with careful grading I can get about two stops more usable DR with the newest color science. It is like it was shot with a different camera. Such is the power of raw acquisition. As the software tools improve, so does your footage.
The Scarlet clip looks very similar to the original M color matrix to my eye at this point in its development, not bad at all. By comparison the Epic r3d still frame of the tiger that Jarred posted looks more like Kodachrome. They still have some tweaking to do but expect great things from Scarlet.
I could edit and finish simple work on my laptop with Scarlet with no problem. I hooked it up to my year old 32" LG LCD, which is calibrated, and the footage looks really good. My laptop display is worthless as a grading reference.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

I've been a Windows user since... forever, but about 6 months ago I purchased my first Mac; just a base line Macbook Pro. I work in IT, but am now employed as a software developer. My greatest passion however is user interface design (mainly for the web) - up there with video/cinema of course. I'm not a big fan of the Windows user interface and general user experience, in that I feel it is in dire need of a rethink. I bought my Mac primarily because I was getting a little sick of Windows, and was really eager to try something as different as possible.

My disappointed came when I found how conceptually similar Mac OS X is to Windows. While I won't deny that most things on a Mac are simpler, they're also "dumbified". OS X is missing a lot of power user features from it's interface, forcing you to hop into the command prompt more frequently. OS X seems to cater mostly to the lowest common denominator; Apple's anti-right-click philosophy is a good example of this. I find it takes me longer to perform most tasks under OS X, than it does on Windows. I can assure you though, OS X has many things I wish Windows had, but it works the other way around also.

I'm not happy with either operating system, and while Windows is nastier from an architectural and software design perspective (generally speaking), the user interface at least accommodates power users more effectively than OS X.

My point is, both operating systems average out to be reasonably equal in the end. Where one does poorly, the other usually does well. There's quite a few areas though where both do quite poorly. I'd therefore recommend you to go with whatever system suits your budget, and whatever system you're comfortable with. Windows certainly has better bang-for-buck performance wise, but the greater hardware flexibility can sometime's lead to problems, so you generally need a greater level of knowledge and experience if you're using Windows professionally.

I see Mac's as being more of an appliance, kind of like a DVD player. The software for the most part, is matched to the hardware. This fact alone usually leads to better software compatibility and reliability. You pay for it however with your wallet, and a lack of choice.

Personally, as much as Windows can annoy the crap out of me, I'd probably stick with it for editing. Adobe seem to have finally pulled their finger out over recent years. I build all my own computers, so the price difference between PC and Mac is even greater. I can also progressively upgrade my PC as significantly faster hardware becomes available; something which you can't do with a Mac Pro.

With all that said, if money is not a major concern, and your work is of a critical nature, then a Mac is in most cases the better choice, purely from a reliability perspective.

Terry, the point I was making is not that the right-click doesn't work or that it's a pain to enable, because neither a true, but it serves as a good example of Apple's approach to designing the OS X user experience/interface. I'm all for simplicity, but never over practicality. Striking the right balance between minimalism/simplicity, and power/practicality is what good user experience design is all about, but it's also probably the most time consuming and difficult part, hence you often get products which are either too complex (not enough decisions were made for the user), or where simplicity has been achieved simply by throwing out practical features, or forcing the user down cumbersome paths of interaction.

Anyway, you either get what I'm saying or you don't. It's cool either way.

There has been a few others lately, so I can't say at last a sensible person, but welcome. Your comments are pretty spot on with reality. Yep, I understand it completely, it is the way I also approach it.

It is a pity apple has to insist on these things, it really annoys, they could merely have multiple interface levels and custom levels, from a known selection area that all users are made aware of and know where it is to change levels (at the shop, video and install and startup animations). A user could select the level and the interface, button and other behaviors will switch to match the level selected. This might be a bit too 'pie in the sky' for Apple, the mere thought they have to change their direction. If a novice user comes up to a computer that is set at a more advanced level (this will be what they are worried about) and is confused (they need not be because they have been trained to the user can then go to the known selection area and change the level to their preferred level, and the level can be set automatically for different users. On top of this you do things like, enable the more advanced functionality in the background, so the more advanced user can select it (still use the second button). If you have a market for power users, it is pointless trying to force them to use a novice interface.

I have sympathy - but to complain about something because you don't know how to use it? And blame the machine? I suck at WIndows - not their fault.

It often is, it is part of design to making something reliable, simple enough, versatile, practical and usable. The way many operating systems, and less and less interfaces now, are designed is horrendous (I cut my teeth on designing an OS and new OS technologies). The design skill set shown out in the computer world is horrendous.

I've worked with both Mac and PC/Windows and I prefer PC. Am I wrong in assuming that I can only resize Mac windows using only the lower right corner? This makes me crazy. With Windows, I can resize windows with any side or corner. I thought that upgrading to Snow Leopard Mac OS would change this, but... ? Am I missing something?

This is what I was saying before, they insist on a set format, and that is presumably not included, and insist on keeping it.

It is easy to enable right click with the Magic Mouse, but if you don't know the trick, it's frustrating until you do. And I'm actually not sure how it works now with the trackpad on the MacBook Pro, which I think he has. So Mac users, have some sympathy for this guy - it gets you there a lot better than disdain.

Ironically enough, he said he was sad the Mac was not more unique and then complained about a difference, so I guess you really can't win.

He does acknowledge a critical point, that Macs are more reliable than PCs, much easier to get running and maintain. For those of us who are not lifetime PC fans, that's a pretty important difference well worth noting.

D

Sure the unreasonable+disdain level in this forum is almost legendary, even when somebody that knows exactly what they are talking about with all the experience and training comes along and says something pretty obvious, and it's on top of him time.

Are we talking about Tom? If we are, it is easy, some things are better the same, some are not, and some things are better when made better again.



I was going to mention this in reply to somebodies post, but have a look at my thread on Red Android:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53414

An Android tablet is much cheaper than an Air for writing and convenient (there are also tablets with keyboards). If it had monitoring option, as in the thread, we could use it as a scarlet camera view screen, about the same size and resolution. SI was working on a tablet recorder/viewer, don't know what happened to it. Via, actually has been know to include HD component/video recording inputs on their PC chip sets, so I wonder if they also have any android chip sets that do (which would mean some tablets might be hackable to do so). On the low end, all we need is a fat on camera screen to see what is happening.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

New higher res Imac news next post.

Thanks David, back again, cyclone largely missed us. Wasn't very well and it happened at night, so didn't get much footage this time (another reason for a water proof scarlet).

Your figures give us a bit of an idea.

2.1Ghz Intel Core 2 duo, original Redcine V20..play 2k clips realtime and 4k clips at about 16fps at 1/4 res setting.

So, 4K real time might be 16 ghz or processor time. I can guess a modern Sandy Bridge is maybe going to be 50% faster per Ghz(depending on core duo version), so around 11 ghz (12ghz more conservative). If the new processors are 3ghz, a 4 core system (I am simplifying, but at this stage that is all I can do).

RC-X I..The current V356E I loaded last weekend will buffer and play 4k real time at 1/8th res, and plays the Scarlet 3k clip real time at 1/4 res. 1/4 res is as high as the clip view window will visibly resolve on my 1440 x 900 display, higher resolution settings produce no visible difference.

Some programs automatically conform to screen pixel resolution, despite file resolution, some even just render the bit of the window on the screen.

Going on these figures 16-32 ghz (less on newer processor) but this image scaling is usually not linear.

..356E exports 3k full resolution highest quality debayer 16bit tiffs at a bit more than 1 second per frame.

So, 96Ghz to reach 24fps, or maybe 64ghz of newest core. 12 cores by 4ghz, only makes 48ghz.

But this is not a complete picture of processing the image in redcode format. I remember somebody else posted something, but it is getting late.

Anyway onto the Imac news.

Update, been informed old final cut pro slower, adobe and pc vegas have gpu processing and are faster, final cut pro x adding gpu processing.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

New Imac

New Imac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJDRZfq32BE

The newer Imac, no mention of Lightpeak optical I/O technology, as has been rumored in the press for Apple this year, but I did not read anything about Sandy Bridge supporting it. From what I hear, Intel has decided that the optical one is a bit of trouble at this stage, and have dumbed it down to a 10gb/s copper one after good testing results. Originally, USB3 was to support optical links (and 10gb/s I think). I wonder if we will see the 10gb/s in USB3, and how long it will take (is the 10gb/s compatible with up and coming chipsets). In lab researchers have been testing over 20gb/s wired. The Light peak interface is pretty revolutionary, it allows protocols of other interfaces to be put across it (eliminating the need for the plugs of those interfaces), and sounds like a proposal I put forward for USB3 a few years back before I lost track/interest in what they were doing, but I don't think I submitted it directly. Put simply, a future red camera might have a few lightpeak I/O ports and nothing else, most interfaces are replaceable, and 8K 3D can be handled by lightpeak.

Red Table top computer:

Looking at this table top computer stuff, it occurs to me that the IT industry really missed out an opportunity years ago. They could have used Electroluminescent sub panels to make drafting table sized computers (LCD's were not really suitable, but Psion did use some nifty LCD tech in their original laptops). By now we could have been using high res color versions for photographic and video work. Microsoft Surface/I covers the manipulation functionality I was envisioning in the 90's for control and editing. Actually I would not mind working on something like this for red with enough processing power to edit from all their cameras real time (I know where I can lay my hands on a PC processor that could do it). I come up with many designs for new practical PC form factors, and believe there is a big unrealized market for table PC's outside the cinema/video feild (pity Apple keeps patenting my old ideas). But for video and cinema work, you will be amazed at the work flow advantages they can blow your mind.

Wayne.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Earlier today I was reading how they have a patent for mixing recordings from the network (internet) with your on computer ones, in one place. I also hear about cloud computing possibilities, storing all your data on external servers. Now rumor of scrapping optical drives, and the app Imac store becoming the only source of software (I take that as unsubstantiated rumor). I am not a pirate and do not advocate it, but it sounds like a horrendous nightmare anyway. I will have to look for a PC solution if the next Imac proves less desirable.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/26/exclusive-apple-dictated-light-peak-creation-to-intel-could-be/

I have been advocating this single port interpolation for many years (unfortunately USB2 was a huge let down). You will notice that lightpeak is incidentally fast enough for apple to offer the entire experience from their processing and data storage servers onto an Apple TV like box.

 

[André von Rainer]

Hi!
I'm just wondering if my system is r3d friendly!

i7-920 (@3.1GHz)
2x30GB SSD in RAID-0 (for OS and Adobe software)
2x2TB WD disks in RAID-0 for video storage.
MSI Geforce N460GTX HAWK (hacked for MPE)
6GB RAM

I'm planning on upgrading my RAM. Do you think 6 more GB (12GB total) would be sufficient, or should swap it for 24GB when I'm first at it?
Would I notice any difference between CL7 and CL 8/9?

A.v.R.

 

[Joseph Podlesnik]

Hi!
I'm just wondering if my system is r3d friendly!

i7-920 (@3.1GHz)

2x30GB SSD in RAID-0 (for OS and Adobe software)
2x2TB WD disks in RAID-0 for video storage.
MSI Geforce N460GTX HAWK (hacked for MPE)
6GB RAM

I'm planning on upgrading my RAM. Do you think 6 more GB (12GB total) would be sufficient, or should swap it for 24GB when I'm first at it?
Would I notice any difference between CL7 and CL 8/9?

A.v.R.

Hi Andre:


I'm able to edit in REAL TIME 4 tracks of the sample r3d 4K files, with color correction filters on all 4 layers (in 1/8 resolution, which looks absolutely fine on a 24” Samsung monitor) – with cpu working at 60%, using:


ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard
INTEL i7 930
12GB (six 2GB) Kingston PC3 10600 RAM
Two 80 GB Intel X25M MLC GEN 2 SSD Drives in striped array (for OS and apps)
Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
Antec CP-1000 1000 Watt PSU
Nvidia GTX 480 Video Card
Zalman 10X Flex CPU Cooler
3 Western Digital Quiet 2 TB 7200RPM 32MB SATA 2 Hard Drives
Areca ARC-1680IX-12 PCIe x8 SAS RAID Card (using RAID 5)

 

[André von Rainer]

Hi Andre:


I'm able to edit in REAL TIME 4 tracks of the sample r3d 4K files, with color correction filters on all 4 layers (in 1/8 resolution, which looks absolutely fine on a 24” Samsung monitor) – with cpu working at 60%, using:


ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard
INTEL i7 930
12GB (six 2GB) Kingston PC3 10600 RAM
Two 80 GB Intel X25M MLC GEN 2 SSD Drives in striped array (for OS and apps)
Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
Antec CP-1000 1000 Watt PSU
Nvidia GTX 480 Video Card
Zalman 10X Flex CPU Cooler
3 Western Digital Quiet 2 TB 7200RPM 32MB SATA 2 Hard Drives
Areca ARC-1680IX-12 PCIe x8 SAS RAID Card (using RAID 5)

Thank you very much for the reply!
Does your system utilize all of the 12Gigs of RAM? (By that I mean if you feel that 12Gigs is enough or if you would expand to 24)

 

[Lawrence Bansbach]

Thank you very much for the reply!
Does your system utilize all of the 12Gigs of RAM? (By that I mean if you feel that 12Gigs is enough or if you would expand to 24)

The upper RAM limits for the various flavors of 64-bit Windows 7 are as as follows: 8 GB for Starter and Home Basic, 16 GB for Home Premium, and 192 GB for Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate. So, yeah, that configuration should use 12 or 24 GB quite handily and even beg for more!