Complete Red One Camera Package Price

[Manfred Lopez]

Um, I thought I should go ahead and post the 100th post on this thread... After seeing the 99 I just couldn´t resist. :biggrin:


EDIT: I meant the 100th reply.

 

[Finner]

Samsung is now shipping their 32Gbit NAND chip and vendors using it will be able to produce CF cards up to 64GB in size. So maybe by the end of the year we'll see those. I think 32GB CF cards are due from some vendors in the next month or two and they all have faster speeds with the shift to NAND tech.

Jeff any clue what the rough projected price will be on the 32 and 64 versions.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Jeff any clue what the rough projected price will be on the 32 and 64 versions.

Unfortunately, no... I would guess that the first 32GB CF's will be about $699 MSRP. And that's not much better than a wild-ass guess. The 16GB cards came out at about $720 MSRP 6 months ago. But they should be theoretically cheaper to produce than the 16GB CF cards since Samsung's 4GB NAND chips are cheaper than what most of the previous 1 & 2 GB FLASH chips introduced at. Cheaper because of their new Charge Trap Flash (CTF) architecture which makes them a lot simpler to make and they can produce it at 40nm with plans to scale down to 20nm.

 

[Chris Kenny]

Just as a data point... flash memory prices are expected to drop 65% in 2007.

As of right now, we're planning to shoot to drives initially, but we'll probably switch to flash for everything sometime next year.

 

[Steve Gibby]

Good call Chris...

We'll start with drives and Flash, depending on the genre/risk of each particular shooting session, but when Flash gets more affordable and has larger storage capacity, we'll switch to mostly Flash and RAM.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Just as a data point... flash memory prices are expected to drop 65% in 2007.

Price drops should be at least that much, IMO. Afterall, that is a conservative estimate that should be filed under "Duh!". Prices on FLASH have dropped far more than 65% per year over the last 3 years and there are currently at least 15 companies I can think of off the top of my head that either announced or showed new NAND FLASH products at CES.

As of right now, we're planning to shoot to drives initially, but we'll probably switch to flash for everything sometime next year.

Same here. I think in the next two years most everyone will be shooting with FLASH on their RED in most situations. ...Unless they already own a bunch of RED DRIVEs and don't want to switch.

 

[PaulClements]

So what kind of price tag do you think we're looking at for a 64GB CF card a year from now? $500... more... less?

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

So what kind of price tag do you think we're looking at for a 64GB CF card a year from now? $500... more... less?

A year from now, a 32GB card will be a bulk commodity just like 8GB cards are now and 16GB cards will be in a few months. 64GB CF cards will be the cutting edge toward the end of this year, and once again I would count on $500 to $700 intro price and that price will fall off sharply as soon as production and demand equalize. At this time next year, I will be surprised if 64GB CF cards are not less than $300. OTOH, if people are slow to adopt the 32GB cards, then the 64GB cards will be slower to market and may not be released until this time next year. 32GB is a lot of storage and it's going to take a massive push toward home video camcorders and media players using the 32GB cards. People aren't going t buy them for their 6 megapixel digital camera that shoots JPEG images just so they can shoot 10,000 pictures before they have to offload it.

But I'm just guessing based on what the market has been doing and by what it looks like it will do.

 

[Chris Forbes]

Chris, I didn't say the a B4 zoom is better. I only listed the various lens options.

Now, as for the advantages, the biggest is its flexibility. I work mostly in the documentary genre and television and prime lenses wouldn't work for me. As I stated, the Red zoom is way too short, so the remaining options are either PL lenses or B4. I only googled 16mm zooms briefly a few weeks ago and found some used zooms around $6-10k. Of course, these are cinema style lenses that don't have the rocker/start-stop/etc. functions, which means that one can either use manual ring for focal length adjustments (which doesn't always work) or get a zoom controller.

BTW, I realize that I would be using only a portion of the sensor and getting lower resolution but for TV work 1080p will be around for a long time. As we all know, it's not really even implemented yet. For fiction work renting lenses is a better way to go anyway.

I didn't want to come across as critical at all. I am just trying to see the pros and cons of each. I agree that for alot of things the RED Zoom will be to short.

Will the Start stop function be enabled on a B4 lens? I understand the camera would have a power tap for zoom control but I didn't know about additional functions.

 

[Steve Gibby]

Will the Start stop function be enabled on a B4 lens? I understand the camera would have a power tap for zoom control but I didn't know about additional functions.

The power tap from RED One to B4 2/3" HD ENG zooms will power up the zoom servo rocker lever, and record/stop button on the servo. Power to the servo motor enables both of those functions.

 

[Jay A. Kelley]

The flash cards are very exciting. For me the minimum is 30min record time per mag. I need the card to be large enough to handle that much memory before I can shoot most projects with it. Then we would purchase 3 of them.
I plan to build a RAID 5 of not a large size and off-load cards to it while shooting.

Have you all noticed how, just as RED gets close to market all these memory systems are coming out just in the size we need and pricing going down fast. Our Red Boys really did their research didn't they?

I'm proud of you guys.

Jay